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[–] [email protected] 119 points 10 months ago (2 children)

conflating zionism and judaism is antisemitic

[–] [email protected] 75 points 10 months ago (2 children)

they really out here like "yes actually our religion and genocide are inseparable" like we've been smacking the hands of reddit atheists for a decade for trying to make this equivocation and now they are doing it for themselves

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 10 months ago

"the two parties are becoming too polarized"

the two parties:

[–] [email protected] 82 points 10 months ago

"I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood. I had... vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done."

[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This shit genuinely makes me feel insane. This is like legislating the sky is lemon merangue pie levels of crazy.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago

it is now officially the stance of the us government that judaism is a genocidal religion

fucking wild

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

fuckin PRESENT?! that's fucked from rep tlaib

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i mean why even dignify it with a vote

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago

If you're gonna be there anyway, and you're already pretty much 100% committed to trying to solve things through the imperial government, why not?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago

she got got by leadership and this was as much protest as she could muster i imagine

she didnt vote yes so ill give her that

[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago

The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow it turns out the rabbis against zionism were actually antisemites all along! galaxy-brain

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism.

JVP does not represent the mainstream Jewish community, which it views as bigoted for its association with Israel. JVP’s staunch anti-Zionist positions place it squarely in opposition to mainstream American Jews and Jews worldwide, most of whom view a connection with Israel as an integral part of their social, cultural or religious Jewish identities. JVP promulgates the view that Jews who identify even tangentially with Israel are motivated by white supremacy, Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/jewish-voice-peace-jvp-what-you-need-know

how good is gatekeeping a cultural identity in order to preserve a genocidal settler colony?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

JVP promulgates the view that Jews who identify even tangentially with Israel are motivated by white supremacy, Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.

Correct?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wow, my rep is actually on the right side of something for once. I absolutely don't want to know his reasoning for voting no because I'm sure it's unhinged.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thomas Massie has been consistently against any of the symbolic declarations of support for Israel for a while, to the point where AIPAC tried to run a smear campaign against him with his face in a black and white poster with the Words "Jew Hater" written underneath. I think he responded by declaring it election interference, but nothing came of it (obviously) but the guy somehow managed to stay seated.

Edit: Misspelled the freaks name

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Edit: I was wrong fucking stupid reasoning.

Critical support either way. Somebody has the balls to stand up to aipac at least.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

you do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to a libertarian US senator. he supports Israel's "right to exist," he just doesn't think it's antisemitic to disagree. average libertarian contrarian tantrum where he affirms all the premises of the institutions but rejects one of the conclusions based on a piddling technicality, thereby ensuring that everyone yells at him and he preserves his outsider veneer without actually having to affect anything or stand for something.

basically the right wing version of Bernie.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Genocidal settler bastards. Death to Amerika, death to Israel, death to the Five-Eyed Empire; a thousand times, til there's no more air in my lungs to speak it and beyond

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Forced internment camps for every cracker motherfucker in this godforsaken shithole, nothing less will suffice

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Here is the text of the bill so you can read it for yourself.

H. Res. 888 - In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

November 28, 2023.

Whereas the Jewish people are native to the Land of Israel;

Whereas throughout history and across the reign of multiple kingdoms, the Jewish people were persecuted and expelled from the Land of Israel, forced to live as minority diaspora communities in other lands;

Whereas Jewish diaspora communities were historically violently persecuted in, and in some cases expelled from, other countries throughout the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and Asia due to their religion;

Whereas the Nazis attempted to annihilate the entire Jewish population of Europe during the Holocaust, murdering 6,000,000 Jews during this time;

Whereas this genocide provided new urgency to re-establish a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people following the Holocaust, where they would not be a vulnerable minority, where they could freely practice their faith, and where something like the Holocaust could never happen again;

Whereas the modern State of Israel was established on May 14, 1948;

Whereas even after the establishment of the State of Israel, other countries and terrorist entities continued to attack Israel, reject its right to exist, and call for its destruction; and

Whereas Israel is the only Jewish State, and therefore, despite persistent external threats, the existence of Israel provides Jews a place to live free from persecution and discrimination: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) reaffirms the State of Israel’s right to exist;

(2) recognizes that denying Israel’s right to exist is a form of antisemitism;

(3) rejects calls for Israel’s destruction and the elimination of the only Jewish State; and

(4) condemns the Hamas-led terrorist attack on Israel.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023677
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/888/text

[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (4 children)

i thought these people went to expensive schools why the fuck does every line start with WHEREAS fucking hell

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

Linguistic inertia. The evil rich white dudes who wrote the sacred texts used language that way so now congress has to until the end of this cursed nation.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's just how governments do resolutions typically. Tradition or some shit

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

888

blood and soil fascist proclamation

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Jesus fucking christ. This treats Biblical fanfiction as the foundation for modern realpolitik.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Whereas Jewish diaspora communities were historically violently persecuted in, and in some cases expelled from, other countries throughout the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and Asia due to their religion;

We've never been persecuted or expelled in North America though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Native groups need to take this up, the exact language can certainly apply (and in their case the documentation is a few hundred years old and well agreed upon, vs based on mythology that certainly doesn't apply to Ashkenazi jews at the very least). Unfortunately logical consistency isn't a winning argument so it wouldn't do much.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Oh fuck off. I was going to do something cute like suggest Zionophobic. The US government when me and a neo nazi are in the same room

same-picture

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago

So zionists have turned the star of david into a new swastika, and now officially characterized jewishness as inherently genocidal, pro-apartheid, and colonial in nature.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

In passing the resolution, the House pronounced the “right of the Jewish people to live peacefully in their native land,” Lawler said.

Fundamentally impossible to live "peacefully" when you're actively carrying out a genocide, but what do I expect from these ghouls.

Edit: Also, found the full thing. What a fucking joke. On the upside, I guess it doesn't do anything material?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a jew born in the US, but if I were asked to identify an ethnic homeland it would be Ukraine. I think that's true for a lot of Ashkenazi if they're being honest with themselves.

Edit: so-far The Ukraine

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is antisemitic.

Only allowed to say you deserve to exist freely if your Isreal

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Of course the colonizer caucazoid ghouls would say that; look at where the Anglo cracker barbarians come from

[wild gesticulating at the ENTIRE HISTORY OF AMERIKA'S FOUNDING.]

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I believe you'll find that was long enough ago that the international law of "No Backsies" applies.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

But you have to vote for Joe Biden next year or else the Republicans might do something bad. They might arrest you for activist activity under a false pretense!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Did Ilhan Omar really vote yes?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

house has ~~538~~ 435 members and this only adds up to 414 votes... I'm guessing (hoping) she didn't show up

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Yeah, seems like a lot of absents. They usually show those though, wonder why they didn't this time...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It has 435, you’re thinking of the electoral college

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (5 children)

kek they're literally signing into law that a word means something else now

we need more stupid retconned fanfiction names for mayos, semitic and caucasian and aryan isn't enough.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

Infinite 9/11s on America and Israel

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Sending jews to Israel to be cannon fodder for the empire? Yeah, that's not antisemitism.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There was some sort of resolution a couple years ago that “condemned socialism” that had like 98% of reps voting for it. When the US politicians are all in alignment against you, you are probably doing something right.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

you can expect this as long as AIPAC's checks keep clearing and they aren't forcibly disbanded for being the malicious foreign agents of a nuclear-armed rouge state that they really are

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I want to see how the anti Zionist Jews react to this.

Every politician who is a zionist must be called out as a genocidal racist fascist supporting an aparthied state and voted out. Zionism is incapable with American values. Jews don't need Israel. They can live anywhere in the anglosphere just fine. America needs war and oil profits. This "way of life" and "common interests" must be challenged loudly and openly.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

can anyone link more information on this? I'm not finding any votes that match at house.gov

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It looks like this resolution is what its referencing

Summary:

This resolution reaffirms Israel's right to exist. It also (1) recognizes that denying Israel's right to exist is a form of antisemitism; (2) rejects calls for Israel's destruction; and (3) condemns the Hamas-led attack on Israel.

Full text:

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Whereas the Jewish people are native to the Land of Israel;

Whereas throughout history and across the reign of multiple kingdoms, the Jewish people were persecuted and expelled from the Land of Israel, forced to live as minority diaspora communities in other lands;

Whereas Jewish diaspora communities were historically violently persecuted in, and in some cases expelled from, other countries throughout the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and Asia due to their religion;

Whereas the Nazis attempted to annihilate the entire Jewish population of Europe during the Holocaust, murdering 6,000,000 Jews during this time;

Whereas this genocide provided new urgency to re-establish a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people following the Holocaust, where they would not be a vulnerable minority, where they could freely practice their faith, and where something like the Holocaust could never happen again;

Whereas the modern State of Israel was established on May 14, 1948;

Whereas even after the establishment of the State of Israel, other countries and terrorist entities continued to attack Israel, reject its right to exist, and call for its destruction; and

Whereas Israel is the only Jewish State, and therefore, despite persistent external threats, the existence of Israel provides Jews a place to live free from persecution and discrimination: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) reaffirms the State of Israel’s right to exist;

(2) recognizes that denying Israel’s right to exist is a form of antisemitism;

(3) rejects calls for Israel’s destruction and the elimination of the only Jewish State; and

(4) condemns the Hamas-led terrorist attack on Israel. Attest:

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