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Title: Moderation not keeping up with influx of violent rhetoric following the assassination of the UHC CEO.

I am seeing a huge increase in posts and comments that incite violence, make threats of violence against specific people, or that celebrate real-world instances of violence and murder. There are hundreds of comments on this instance posted over the past day that brazenly violate rule #1 “We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature”.

Many offending comments have been dealt with by mods, but some mods are seemingly allowing this violent rhetoric in their respective sub-communities. There are many active threads about the UHC CEO right now on lemmy.world that are filled with violent rule-breaking comments, and very little visible moderation.

Given that the mods are either unable or unwilling to enforce this most fundamental content rule, when can we expect the admins to get involved and start handing out bans to the users that have been celebrating murder and inciting more violence? It’s pretty out of control right now, and I’m betting that the admins could find themselves in hot water with the authorities if this continues to go unchecked.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 month ago (5 children)

There are hundreds of comments on this instance posted over the past day that brazenly violate rule #1 “We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature”.

Ok, but how does "any living creature" apply to the UHC CEO?

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, .world must be an even better vegan instance than here, right? Right?

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly, he's dead ~~and always has been~~

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Dead on the inside, Dead on the outside.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

I'd like to think he found his true self. Care-Comrade

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They clearly aren't even violating the rules.

Celebrating violence is not a threat or call to violence. Those are totally different things.

This is what civility does to your brain. 😞

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

Not anymore

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How long does it take for full cellular death to complete? There may be a few cells hanging on somewhere in that corpse

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fun fact, it doesn't. Not if you consider yourself right now as human. Most of your cells in your body have none of your DNA, and without them youd die a horrible, painful, ridiculously hideous death. Many of those nonhuman cells evolved to exclusively cohabitate human Bodies, but many still can live outside the human body for days or weeks. In this way it's likely some lineage of cells from any arbitrary dead person is still alive.

But if you mean human cells, less than 24 Hours without host function, assuming a neutral temperature and no remaining feeder or transport cells for any given cell type.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Finger on the pulse of the people around me IRL (Coworkers, family, etc). Literally no one, not the never-trump republicans, not the "Supported Joe Biden BEFORE the primary" liberals, not one person thinks it was regrettable that this guy got shot, or is wringing their hands about it. This is substantially different from other similar incidents.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (4 children)

My mother-in-law scolded my wife for laughing about it in an instagram post. "A person is dead, how can you write something so hateful. You are condoning violence!".

I said to just reply with a screenshot of all of her posts about marginalized people, immigrants, or Palestinians lol. But also like why the fuck does she give a shit, American peasant mentality is wild.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

'How dare you speak ill of mi'lord, he allows me a plot of land to live on and farm for him!'

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Closest I've heard to hand wringing IRL is "He deserved it, but....".

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everyone is fedposting on this blessed day.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm certain I could find someone, but organically I have not heard any hand wringing yet either

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

I saw some post by Todd but he seems like an idiot

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

MODS! MODS! THEY’RE BEING MEAN TO THE CEO ONLINE powercry-2

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Lenin forgot to mention that adventurism is cool because it makes all the liberals show their ass with hand wringing.

Adventurists, I apologize, you were right.

Seriously though, hexbears, still don't start doing adventurism. ORGANIZE AND AGITATE. A mass movement is the only way things will change.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Adventurism being cool is one of it's big downsides. If it wasn't rad as hell it wouldn't call to us so much

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

It's seductively easy for individuals, and unfortunately easier than organizing. It's as much a trap as a tactic.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

~~Adventurist~~ violence + mass movement --> liberation army

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Yes, and the organizing is hard which is why we should be doing it. Leave the easy mode stuff to the casuals. Anyone with proper opsec can become an adventurist, but chads form a disciplined movement.

Also, fused to a movement it isn't adventurist anymore really...

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh no, not the authorities! We have to self censor to appease them even though they don’t know this stupid website even exists

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago

Open up, it's the low traffic website police. We heard that people said mean words about CEOs. cop

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

fedposting smuglord "the admins could find themselves in hot water with the authorities"

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, I'm sure there like a half dozen Air Force guys, and we probably have at least one FBI or CIA agent keeping tabs on the front page, at least

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What do you wanna bet this exact user has called Russian people orcs and celebrated drone footage of them dying sometime in the last 2 years?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fair’s fair, they did call out people for using the orcs slur. Still condescending and patronizing towards the average Russian and quote a death toll that had got to be grossly overestimated.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago

Ah OK, more of a liberal ideals guy than a dogs of the US empire guy

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

Oh, they have the civility fetish thing going on

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago

Dang it must suck to be one of these civility-obsessed losers while I'm over here partying the fuck down

pizza-dance fidel-layup party-rocking skeleton-motorcycle

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This user is waaaaaaay too invested in this crusade, like beyond just civility lib. Elsewhere they are:

  • Posting pictures of the guy's wife and kids to people making jokes and telling them to look into the eyes of his family and then say it again
  • Defending this guy's reputation as 'not even a billionaire' by posting some apparently exact net worth for the guy (unsourced too of course)
  • They're a a Lemmy is probably doomed because it was built by unhinged tankies poster while also simultaneously being a we've got to save Lemmy from incivility poster.
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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the admins could find themselves in hot water with the authorities

What a sniveling narc

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People who say this act like "hot water with the authorities" is like a weather condition that just happens, but in reality these unlikable snitch-ass losers are usually the reason the authorities find out about anything.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago

Getting arrested for the crime of letting other people say things that are completely legal to say

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm sure all of these people were mocking the exploding pagers in Lebanon

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

Me, smugly posting "fuck around and find out" in response to violence sanctioned by the powers of government and press.

Me, condescendingly using euphemisms like "collateral damage" when I find out innocent civilians were killed in that sanctioned violence.

Me, pragmatically reminding everyone of how violence begets violence and that both sides' violence is wrong when I get called out.

Me, serenely steering the conversation towards thoughts and prayers in an attempt to gain moral high ground.

Me, judging you for sticking to your points while I drift further and further into lofty abstraction and moralism.

Hell yeah its liberalism time.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sure they'd be just as concerned about this rule if 'putler' got merked too, right??

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

That's the day they'll suddenly understand what social murder is, but only for him

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the like vague threat of getting pigs involved truly is the cherry on this rancid libshit sundae what-the-hell

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

violence and murder is only okay if it's systemic and on a massive scale smh, you dumb commies didn't know that?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

mi'lord has died! how dare you rejoice???

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

Imagine having a struggle session about whether Health Care CEOs have a right to exist.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

JB-shining-aggro Embrace John Brown posting

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

Can't believe someone could simultaneously have a cool username like todd_bonzalez and still make such an incredibly cringe post

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Please stop celebrating this, what if it happens to more people like elon or the sacklers? You wouldn't be so happy then, would you?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Basically, what I've gotten from the civility wanking is that the moral standing of violence is entirely about whether or not it was legitimized by people in power. Unsurprisingly, there's no real moral underpinning to this, just another manifestation of class hierarchy.

Social murder is legitimized -- even normalized -- and fighting back is not.

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