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stuff like "Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldnt they hate you"

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

i always get disgusted and disillusioned when i come upon it

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

We need a good gender neutral term for Edgelords. Edgenobles?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I never hear or read enough of her stuff to have fully got the anti-amber-aktion from the old subreddit or the early days of hexbear.

This comment chain has been somewhat enlightening. I'll try to pay more attention when I happen to read/hear her opine in the future.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Cause deep down they understand them. White settlers identifying with other white settlers. Even though they might legitimately disagree with them, fundamentally they don’t see them as a threat to their existence and view the disagreement as purely academic. They understand and are sympathetic to how these people arrived at their views. And really they’re only one hardship away from becoming completely reactionary themselves, as we saw with Covid.

Idk, that’s always been my take.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago

good take, yep

i can see myself going down the incel path, if circumstances were different and i was AMAB, it coulda happened. therefore i have a certain level of empathy and understanding towards those ppl inherently (not that i give a shit about courting them or whatever, fuck that shit lmao). but with poc i need to actually listen to other people's perspectives and stuff instead of just inherently getting it. that's waaay too hard for most white ppl

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (5 children)

See also: that episode of the podcast where Amber said "cops are working class" for an hour and a half, aka the one that got me to stop listening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Venn diagram between Village people personae and demographics Amber wants to outreach is a circle except for the Indigenous Chief.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Amber actually was one of the reasons I stopped listening too, after she went off on people who cut ties with abusive parents "We all hate our parents as teens. Grow up. Get over it."

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

lol what

The more I grow, the more I realized how fucked up it was the way my mother treated me, the less I feel like speaking to her.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats that are in there

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

I hate that so much. "Leftists pushed me to the right." No you were always a piece of shit but didn't realize it until someone accurately called you out on it. Am I supposed to coddle people who are deliberately calling me the wrong pronoun? Am I supposed to be nice to my cousins who are active Klan members?

When I've unionized we've inevitably worked with reactionary people who have incorrect priorities. The best way to get them to shut up is show them they're outnumbered and to tell them to shut the fuck up. Bullying works.

I don't want the approval of fascists, I want them either dead or so afraid of speaking that they don't.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

Because crackers, 'progressive' or regressive, will always bear water and run defense for white supremacy before they ever consider liberating the subjects of empire that they feel entitled to camaraderie from and companionship with. It never fails. It's the same root from which springs the perennial "we don't have a race issue in Amerika, just a class issue" out of radlibs and anarchists, it's the same root from which springs the "well he was no angel, clearly he deserved it" out of the copsuckers and conservatives.

Crackers will always close ranks around their own before they ever think about reparating or restituting. "Leftists" like Amber are exactly why I don't trust the white left, and only organize with Black formations and organizations anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Black formations and organizations

Maybe a silly question, but are they still open to other people of color?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The one I'm part of doesn't to my knowledge; but I think the African People's Socialist Party is more open to all-and-sundry tho from what I've seen thus far

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Common frauddogg W.

Marginalized groups should be in charge of their own liberation. If privileged people actually want to help, they should get behind the marginalized groups and follow, not grandstand over them trying to take power and acting with a white savior complex

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Malcolm X stated that was the reason he avoided working with white people and he later regretted turning away one white college student because she was like the one white person who genuinely wanted to follow black leadership.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago

It's weird how she doesn't apply the same logic to people who hate fascists. They call me the scum of the Earth! Why shouldn't I hate them?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's definitely a huge difference between her and the rest of Chapo. Like the other three have moved pretty far to the left since the show began that I'm surprised that they still associate with her and have her on as a guest sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I'm surprised that they still associate with her

Most people in that social sphere are pretty friendly. Brace and Liz are pretty close to the Red Scare women. Podcasters don't seem to really alienate people for political reasons.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like the other three have moved pretty far to the left

you might say its like her opinions are stuck in a sticky resinous substance, trapping them in time.....

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm calling them the scum of the earth because they already did hate me and I hate them back. We've been doing this shit back and forth since Bush Jr., I didn't just emerge from the ether and instigate this by calling DeusVult69 a fucking dick out of nowhere in 2016

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Being a property owner and small business owner who says extremely offensive things and jokes about killing people at 48 years old…. It’s okay, he didn’t go to college, they don’t know any better

Being a debt ridden queer working two minimum wage jobs unrelated to their college degree at age 26, who thinks everyone being more polite and thoughtful would help society… you idiot, you moron, you disgusting bitch.

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