The term Tankie has a clear definition that Cowbee likes to ignore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those > who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the > occurrence of the events thereof.

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[–] 85 points 3 months ago (11 children)

The term Tankie has a clear definition

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    [–] 77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance!

    What fucking nerds lol

    If you wanna block an instance you don't like, that's fine! But for the love of god don't try to make it sound like some sort of heroic deed: You're clicking buttons

    Also: The specter of Cowbee remains strong specter

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  • [–] 74 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    @Cowbee@hexbear.net if I were in your shoes I would be walking on sunshine. You've really managed a 'Loved by Your Friends, Feared By Your Foes' thing going. These weirdos are losing it over you for giving calm and we'll sourced replies consistently. These folks have really put you on a pedestal or they dug so deep it has the same effect, to mix metaphors.

    So yeah, congratulations on becoming the Grendel to the lemmy libs. That would put a spring in my step.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Really funny seeing the most patient person in the lemmyverse being so villainized specter

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    [–] 70 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    You ain't done nothin' if you ain't been called a red tankie

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  • [–] 69 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    They have to try so hard to disparage and silence Cowbee exactly because Cowbee is convincing, patient, and reasonable

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    That's exactly it. They have no actual defense against Cowbee's method of respectful patience (and they absolutely can't compete with his well rounded knowledge of history that he can back up with citations even they can't deny). So their only option is to fabricate outright ridiculous lies and twist themselves in knots to try paint him as the bad guy somehow. This time he's the big bad guy who must be literally boycotted because... he doesn't know about the wikipedia definition of once-niche term now used as a catch-all by anti-communists? Um. Right. Ok, libs. But no, I think we can safely assume that Cowbee is as well aware as the rest of us what reactionaries and liberals mean when they start frothing about "tankies."

    Edit: It's also amusing they're calling to boycott not just Cowbee himself but an entire instance because a single user on it is supposedly unaware of the wikipedia definition of an epithet. An epithet every ML has encountered thousands of times. And this is supposed to make the fediverse, (which is famously all about sequestration and disconnecting people from each other and challenging ideas) a better place.

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    [–] 69 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    Ukraine, much like Palestine, wants to mind their own business but can’t because they’re being invaded. How do you hate Israel but also support Russia? It’s madness.

    I don't think that description applies to either of those states

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    It's wild someone would even boil down something as complicated as international politics down to "you see, the country is like a little guy, and it WANTS things" let alone leaving out the exact and specific reasons why both of those wars started and what each side hopes to achieve in their outcome.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago* (15 children)

    Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those > who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the > occurrence of the events thereof.

    So, tankie is a term used to describe communists that push back against any liberal propaganda, because obviously liberals never say anything wrong or disparaging about communism, they are only ever truthful and correct.

    The communists that don't push back against liberal propaganda? They're good not-tankies.

    This is basically "anyone that disagrees with liberals is a tankie". It's a non-falsifiable thought-terminating cliche intended to prevent people from listening to anyone to their left other than the people that claim to be leftists but ultimately only reinforce liberal propaganda.

    "Communist" that supports liberal narratives = good

    Communist that performs any struggle against liberals = tankie.

    It's painfully obvious why Cowbee just defaults to "Tankie just means communist". It's true and correct. Liberals consider any communist that disagrees with them a tankie, and any communist that does not disagree with liberals is obviously still a liberal, that's kinda how ideology works.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Liberals believe in a hypothetical good communist that would not qualify as a tankie. This imaginary communist was cooked up by liberals out of first principles for how they believe a communist should act and behave, because the core instinct of the liberal is to accuse their enemies of being secret right-wingers who are lying about their intentions. The hypothetical good communist would have ideals that we would say are similar to an ultra-leftist, or the completely fictional "patriotic communist" thing. As in:

    • rejection of association with any current socialist state
    • rejection of militant organizing
    • rejection of any intermediary stage in the progression towards communism. Immediately abolish the commodity form
    • complete agreement with the western world order

    So under their metric for a non-tankie leftist, Che Guevara would be a bad communist because he seized state power and used violent means. Whereas a good communist would be someone like Vaush, an internet streamer who advocates for the election of Democrats to public office.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Right and Vaush is just Destiny dressed up in red and black. Not a leftist but a liberal claiming to be a leftist but everything they advocate people do is just liberalism.

    Their non-tankie is just a liberal pretending to be a communist. Every communist that actually poses any argument to liberals and opposes action that reinforces liberalism is a tankie.

    Therefore every communist is a tankie. Therefore tankie just means, communist.

    That's not even getting into the fact that the very definition itself applies to all communists. Let's go through each group:

    MLs: Support all AES. Tankies

    Trots: Support Cuba. Authoritarian state. Tankies

    Maoists: Don't support China. Support USSR. Tankies.

    DemSocs: Support Cuba. Some support USSR (jeremy corbyn and all Euro DemSocs for example). Tankies

    This effectively amounts to 95% of all people that call themselves communists. Going into increasingly more niche sects of communist is pointless.

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    [–] 60 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I’m banned from a bunch of places cuz of an interaction with cowbee

    -- AdolfSchmitler

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  • [–] 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 57 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    On another note. You can always tell the actual decency of a community on what is allowed and what isn't. I ended up here cause I got sick and tired of the casual bigotry elsewhere. Normally a good way to make me leave. Hexbear isn't perfect but its hell of a lot better then others.

    Basically if you are not putting Black and other marginalized people first, your politics are probably going to suffer. If you do put them first, you'll end up in the right place eventually.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    they have a dedicated hating community? son im crine

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    [–] 50 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There's no elaborate argument here, it really is as simple as "the term Cowbee said is vague and gets applied selectively has a clear definition" and the definition may as well just be "a tankie is a communist who supports bad things"

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    [–] 47 points 3 months ago*

    That thread in .world is literally the most pathetic thread i ever read in entire fediverse, i recognise half of posters there from them being rabid anticommunists who get throughly humiliated every time they write anything outside of their safe spaces. Losers converge!

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Has an elected Democrat used the word "tankie" yet? I know it's coming.

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    [–] 45 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone who gets this caught up into relatively tiny online message board discourse is deeply unserious. I really don’t have any clue what anyone hopes to accomplish by creating a post such as that.

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    [–] 44 points 3 months ago

    Oh look, you've collected all the fascists in one thread!

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Lol that top comment with the ableist slur, they can't help themselves. What a non-toxic thread I'm sure

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    [–] 43 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 42 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Why can't anyone there give a "non-tankie" example of an actual communist organization that accomplished anything of note? I'm not talking about their local friends, but a movement, a country, whatever. There's never any example.

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    [–] 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    All revolutions are authoritarian. It’s the forceful dispossession and usurping of one class by another. That’s inherently going to be violent and based on authority derived from the workers.

    And we all know that the imperialists of the world will never let a communist project exist in peace, they will assault it with never ending attempts to destroy and undermine and isolate it. So until there’s global communism and no imperialism, an ongoing authoritarian state is required to protect the communist project.

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    [–] 42 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    i-cant nazi.world at it again, comrade Cowbee lives rent free in the heads of these liberal-scratched-1liberal-scratched-2

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    [–] 42 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Don't attack my bovine eusocial pollinator like that who do you think you are

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    [–] 41 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    'tankie' is the type of term one uses, when their actually-existing socialist opponent defends itself with militant measures to survive against foreign-backed violence and sabotage, but they can't technically call them 'Stalinist'.

    anyways, good luck to those boycotting - the troika of hexbear.net, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml lived, is living and will live, without such wrecker scum.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    the troika of hexbear.net, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml lived, is living and will live, without such wrecker scum.

    We will. The problem is that what they want is to wall us off from the rest of the fediverse so that as it inevitably grows (as corporate social media continues to enshittify), no one will see what anti-imperilaists and communists have to say. They want to keep the politics a well-manicured liberal-only garden - with exceptions made for reactionaries and fascists of course. They want to make sure any reddit alternative still maintains the same narratives that reddit maintains, curbing the spread of radical thought. This is the raison d'être of piefed, of lib.world, and of all the calls to boycott the "tankie" instances.

    Obviously they'd love to totally kill off the principled Marxist instances entirely, but since that's not possible, they want to cut us off, the purpose is to keep us sequestered and hidden so they can demonize us without anyone seeing how much sense we make and how explanatory Marxism-Leninism is with regards to geopolitics and the absurdity of the state of the world.

    It's literally why so much hate is poured on Cowbee in particular because he is so good at just laying out the facts in a straightforward and totally non-combative way that any lurkers who read his comments won't be able to deny he's correct. And that is what they can't have, what is truly intolerable to them: more and more people recognizing we aren't this extremist fringe, but are simply people willing to do the radical thing of applying scientific methodology to social, political, and economic realities rather than accept whichever propaganda is most convenient.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago

    Don't you know that you're only a real communist if you oppose all communist countries and anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist forces in the world?! Communism isn't about reality or results, it's about jerking yourself off over being morally superior to others despite doing nothing to actually make the world a better place!

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    federation:

    https://lemmy.world/post/49237006 127 upvotes, 55 comments

    https://hexbear.net/post/8993889 61 upvotes 79 comments

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago

    We need a special version of the rent-free emoji where it's Cowbee in their brain

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