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back in my map era, we're ukrainemaxxing right now


Declarations of the imminent doom of Ukraine are a news megathread specialty, and this is not what I am doing here - mostly because I'm convinced that whenever we do so, the war extends another three months to spite us. Ukraine has been in an essentially apocalyptic crisis for over a year now after the failure of the 2023 counteroffensive, unable to make any substantial progress and resigned to merely being a persistent nuisance (and arms market!) as NATO fights to the last Ukrainian. In this context, predicting a terminal point is difficult, as things seem to always be going so badly that it's hard to understand how and why they fight on. In every way, Ukraine is a truly shattered country, barely held together by the sheer combined force of Western hegemony. And that hegemony is weakening.

I therefore won't be giving any predictions of a timeframe for a Ukrainian defeat, but the coming presidency of Trump is a big question mark for the conflict. Trump has talked about how he wishes for the war to end and for a deal to be made with Putin, but Trump also tends to change his mind on an issue at least three or four times before actually making a decision, simply adopting the position of who talked to him last. And, of course, his ability to end the war might be curtailed by a military-industrial complex (and various intelligence agencies) that want to keep the money flowing.

The alignment of the US election with the accelerating rate of Russian gains is pretty interesting, with talk of both escalation and de-escalation coinciding - the former from Biden, and the latter from Trump. Russia very recently performed perhaps the single largest aerial attack of Ukraine of the entire war, striking targets across the whole country with missiles and drones from various platforms. In response, the US is talking about allowing Ukraine to hit long-range targets in Russia (but the strategic value of this, at this point, seems pretty minimal).

Additionally, Russia has made genuine progress in terms of land acquisition. We aren't talking about endless and meaningless battles over empty fields anymore. Some of the big Ukrainian strongholds that we've been spending the last couple years speculating over - Chasiv Yar, Kupiansk, Orikhiv - are now being approached and entered by Russian forces. The map is actually changing now, though it's hard to tell as Ukraine is so goddamn big.

Attrition has finally paid off for Russia. An entire generation of Ukrainians has been fed into the meat grinder. Recovery will take, at minimum, decades - more realistically, the country might be permanently ruined, until that global communist revolution comes around at least. And they could have just made a fucking deal a month into the war.


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

around a dozen inmates have set themselves on fire over the last year or so to try to get transferred out of virginia's supermax Red Onion prison after facing horrific racism and violence. three men interviewed intentionally set their legs or feet on fire knowing that there aren't any burn centers in that part of the state and they would have to be sent to Richmond for treatment

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

That is fucking bleak jfc

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

Red Onion and its sister supermax Wallens Ridge State Prison, are both located in the mountains of the far southwestern corner of Virginia in rural, segregated white communities, while their prisoner populations are near totally Brown and Black.

This sounds like hell on earth.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

RFK Jr will cut prescription drugs and increase weed and psychedelics access

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/25/rfk-jr-prescription-drugs-cannabis-psychedelics

Guardian libs handwringing about the one good thing RFK might do

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

sorry if this has already been posted but Evo Morales said he has proof that the US via the DEA and USAID was behind his attempted assassination.
https://youtu.be/YfrNXlYbwlY?t=202 (the grayzone)

jumping to the conclusion that the CIA is behind every attempted assassination and coup of every country that they don't like makes you correct 100% of the time

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would other countries respond if israel attempts to annex the west bank? It seems like their fascist tendencies are out of control at the moment

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago

The EU leaders would condemn it and then visit a memorial to pay respects to all the settlers killed, likely within half a year.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A gift to the Korean people: Vladimir Putin gave the DPRK zoo more than 70 animals from the Moscow Zoo.

The animals were delivered to Pyongyang by plane, they were accompanied by veterinarians of the capital's zoo. Now an African lion, two brown bears, two domestic yaks, five white cockatoos, twenty-five pheasants of different species, forty mandarin ducks will now live in the North Korean zoo.

Sending animals to the capital of the DPRK was a continuation of the previously set vector for the development of bilateral cooperation between the Moscow Zoo and the Pyongyang Central Zoo.   With the support of the Moscow Government, we plan to expand cooperation with our North Korean colleagues in matters related to joint scientific and educational activities, as well as the exchange of experience and information on the care of rare animal species," said the general director of the Moscow Zoo.

The Pyongyang Central Zoo has been operating for 65 years. The transfer of animals became possible thanks to the Pyongyang Zoo's membership in the Eurasian Regional Association of Zoos and Aquariums. Moscow already transferred birds to North Korea this spring.

Russia supplies the DPRK with zoo animals. This is a threat to world peace and cannot be tolerated.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

70 animals for 500 bazillion soldiers is a pretty good deal wow

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They got a Lion, it's definitely worth it. 1 lion for 10 000 soldiers is the best trade deal in the history of trade deals.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

Western imperialism demands that small nations that don't bend the knee be cut off from cute animals.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

The Hill Op-Ed: World War III is now Trump’s to lose

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5000642-trump-world-war-iii/

Negotiations with Russia would be futile. History tells us that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s words are meaningless. Anything short of a complete withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine and the restoration of their 1991 borders would be a victory for the Kremlin.

The defeat of Russian forces is the best outcome, and precision deep-strike weapons are a vital part of that outcome. Now is the time to invoke General Ulysses S. Grant — to close with and destroy the enemy, applying relentless pressure until they capitulate.

Bruh, these libs really want us all to die

by Mark Toth and Jonathan Sweet,

Deeply unserious country.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Now is the time to invoke General Ulysses S. Grant — to close with and destroy the enemy, applying relentless pressure until they capitulate.

When I think of how I should beat a nuclear power, I always think back to the US Civil War ...

Opinion Columnists: Worse Than Worthless?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Opinion columnists should be fed into wood chippers for the good of humanity

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago

Russia is dragging down China's economy:

Presently, a badly weakened Russia represents a significant military and economic drag on China. Both economies are reeling due to collapsing fundamentals and under the weight of massive military expenditures.

Evidence that China's economy reeling:

Beijing is being forced to invest $1.4 trillion domestically “to revive the economy, authorizing local governments to refinance crushing debts that have left some cities unable to pay their bills.”

Russia is forcing China to invest domestically and allow local governments to refinance debts.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

now is the time to invoke General Ulysses S. Grant”

Great, they don’t understand 2 wars

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago

Be careful or they will misunderstand a third too

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ulysses S. Grant famously used precision deep-strike weapons to eliminate Vicksburg and Jackson instead of going down the Mississippi and taking them directly. Ukraine is right to imitate him.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago

If only Germany had V2 rockets they might have won

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago

Latest Tankie therapy is really good. Discussion on dealing with psychic intrusions, dealing with emotional burn out, and understanding that our shame, and depression seeing the events in Gaza is normal and healthy.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The president of Uruguay, Luis Lacalle Pou, said in a post on X that he had telephoned the president-elect of Uruguay, Yamandu Orsi, to congratulate him and put himself at his disposal for the transition of government. Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva congratulated the Uruguayan people for today's elections and the winner, Yamandu Orsi. Lula also sent his congratulations to Pepe Mujica, and said it was “a victory for all Latin America”.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

I was checking Wikipedia's page on Self-Coups. And there was this there:

Notable events described as attempted self-coups:

Israel: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Ongoing events, since he assumed office on December 29, 2022)

Is this related to the reforms of the Israeli Supreme Court?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

PROJECTION OF RESULTS URUGUAY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Yamandu Orsi/ Frente Amplio/Broad Front (Leftist, Socdem, Democratic Socialist) - 50.1%

Álvaro Delgado/ National Party/Republican Coalition (Conservative, Neoliberal) - 45.7%

Blank/Null 4.3%

Source: Citizen Perception Plant, with polling station projection data

20:30. Projections show Yamandú Orsi as winner. The Frente Amplio headquarters reacted euphorically when the clock struck 20.30 and the projections marked an irreversible victory with 49.5% for Yamandú Orsi, against 45.9% for the coalition candidate Álvaro Delgado. - La Nacion

Good to see the leftist back in power in Uruguay. This will futher isolate Argentina, and Uruguay will have much better relations with Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil. The leftists were really smart, the two most popular candidates decided to run in a unified ticket.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tf is happening in Romania?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Something very entertaining

See my comments for clarification

If this guy was the PSD's beast,their plan blew up in their face

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Looking up romania news in portuguese, half the headlines are "pro-russian candidate wins the election", I'm waiting for when the run-off happens for it to be "romanians vote between democracy and russian domination"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

It absolutely is the east vs west aligned showdown

Both are the opposite extreme to the other on foreign policy,which is one of the main attributes of the president

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Colonelcassad says Ukraine reporting RF have crossed the Oskol River and established a bridgehead on west bank area.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

We might benefit from more cross-posting from the news mega to the broader site. Maybe with a time delay.

I don't want to dilute activity in here (hence the time delay idea) but it seems bad for site health that the main hexbear feed is all dumb jokes and struggle session discourse because so much of the serious discussion is concentrated in here.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nah let us have at least one good space without all the drama. At this point, this website for me is just the body that carries this thread. I'm sorry but the rest of this website is just unserious and a place for the most online people in the world to bicker. One can seriously discuss Chinese monetary policy and Moldovan elections here with a serious-ish tone and a leftist spin, which doesn't happen anywhere else on the internet. We can't endanger that in any possible way. I personally have no intention at all to interact with the rest of the site, where people have full on breakdowns every single day because of a stupid debate about having a rabbit as a pet or something. I clicked on that site-wide changes thread and understood literally nothing, let's keep it that way and never change it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

At this point, this website for me is just the body that carries this thread.

Same. I can now fulfill my eternal dream about posting about Marmite and missiles. Pure bliss really.

Except when the missiles kill innocent people, that's terrible of course.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly at this point I post news as a public service. Going to stop if the struggle session nerde make the news mega about themselves

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people not reading the news mega could easily just read the news mega...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I see stuff from the news mega make the rounds all the time. shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (4 children)

More ballistic missile attacks by Ukraine against Russia in Kursk were reported on within the last hour, with an alleged simultaneous UAV attack against Russian oil assets in Kaluga Oblast (information is more sketchy on that at this time). There is audible air defence activity being heard in Kursk. Pro Ukrainian sources are claiming that these attacks in Kursk made use of US made and targeted ATACMS missiles, as expected.

Twitter source

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zionazis bomb beirut again sadness-abysmal

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Pedro Bordaberry, son of former civic dictator of Uruguay and US puppet, Juan María Bordaberry (This guy was removed by the Army because even them thought he was too far-right for them), just congratulated the President-elect of Uruguay, the Leftist, Yamandu Orsi.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

Some news from Lebanon, the Donbass, and Kursk.

Lebanese resistance forces continue conducting rocket, missile, and drone strikes on Zionist military targets in both southern Lebanon and occupied Palestine (today’s summary): https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/11/24/737866/Hezbollah-strikes-Israeli-bases-with-drones,-missiles

Russian forces captured a British mercenary in Kursk oblast: https://sputnikglobe.com/20241124/russian-troops-capture-uk-mercenary-in-kursk-region---security-source-1120991059.html

Russian forces liberated the Kursk oblast settlement of Daryino: https://lostarmour.info/media/videos/news/27089.mp4

A map showing Russian advances in the Donetsk People’s Republic over the past month: https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Frontline-advances-:7

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago (5 children)

More news nobody is paying attention to: apparently the vp of the Philippines threatened to kill the president. The dutertes and the military dictatorship clan are beefing.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Felix mentioned on a recent Matt-Shaped Hole episode that the median age of a home buyer in the United States is now 56, so I went to look it up and it's true, up from 49 in only one year:

The ages of home buyers reached all-time highs. The median buyer age increased to a peak of 56 years old, up from 49 last year. The median first-time buyer age increased to 38 years old this year from 35 last year, while the typical repeat buyer age also increased to 61 years from 58 last year

from the NAR report linked at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/buying-a-house-first-time-homebuyer/

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The most troubling part is first-time buyer age rising to near 40 in only a few years after being stable at ~29-32 for decades. The tipping point has been reached where there’s just nothing left for people to do to be able to afford to own their own home aside from wait and continue to save money and increase their income. Profoundly unstable system. China is going to look really good in a few years when their real estate system has been rationalized and everyone else is still scrambling to figure out how to deregulate and tax-incentive their way to keeping prices stable for just a little bit longer.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (7 children)

https://theintercept.com/2024/11/24/defense-llama-meta-military/

The US Military has been using a version of Llama3.0 for advice on munitions and airstrikes to unsatisfactory results.

full textMeta’s in-house ChatGPT competitor is being marketed unlike anything that’s ever come out of the social media giant before: a convenient tool for planning airstrikes.

As it has invested billions into developing machine learning technology it hopes can outpace OpenAI and other competitors, Meta has pitched its flagship large language model, Llama, as a handy way of planning vegan dinners or weekends away with friends. A provision in Llama’s terms of service previously prohibited military uses, but Meta announced on November 4 that it was joining its chief rivals and getting into the business of war.

“Responsible uses of open source AI models promote global security and help establish the U.S. in the global race for AI leadership,” Meta proclaimed in a blog post by global affairs chief Nick Clegg.

One of these “responsible uses” is a partnership with Scale AI, a $14 billion machine learning startup and thriving defense contractor. Following the policy change, Scale now uses Llama 3.0 to power a chat tool for governmental users who want to “apply the power of generative AI to their unique use cases, such as planning military or intelligence operations and understanding adversary vulnerabilities,” according to a press release.

But there’s a problem: Experts tell The Intercept that the government-only tool, called “Defense Llama,” is being advertised by showing it give terrible advice about how to blow up a building. Scale AI defended the advertisement by telling The Intercept its marketing is not intended to accurately represent its product’s capabilities.

Llama 3.0 is a so-called open source model, meaning that users can download it, use it, and alter it, free of charge, unlike OpenAI’s offerings. Scale AI says it has customized Meta’s technology to provide military expertise.

Scale AI touts Defense Llama’s accuracy, as well as its adherence to norms, laws, and regulations: “Defense Llama was trained on a vast dataset, including military doctrine, international humanitarian law, and relevant policies designed to align with the Department of Defense (DoD) guidelines for armed conflict as well as the DoD’s Ethical Principles for Artificial Intelligence. This enables the model to provide accurate, meaningful, and relevant responses.”

The tool is not available to the public, but Scale AI’s website provides an example of this Meta-augmented accuracy, meaningfulness, and relevance. The case study is in weaponeering, the process of choosing the right weapon for a given military operation. An image on the Defense Llama homepage depicts a hypothetical user asking the chatbot: “What are some JDAMs an F-35B could use to destroy a reinforced concrete building while minimizing collateral damage?” The Joint Direct Attack Munition, or JDAM, is a hardware kit that converts unguided “dumb” bombs into a “precision-guided” weapon that uses GPS or lasers to track its target.

Defense Llama is shown in turn suggesting three different Guided Bomb Unit munitions, or GBUs, ranging from 500 to 2,000 pounds with characteristic chatbot pluck, describing one as “an excellent choice for destroying reinforced concrete buildings.”

Scale AI marketed its Defense Llama product with this image of a hypothetical chat. Screenshot of Scale AI marketing webpage Military targeting and munitions experts who spoke to The Intercept all said Defense Llama’s advertised response was flawed to the point of being useless. Not just does it gives bad answers, they said, but it also complies with a fundamentally bad question. Whereas a trained human should know that such a question is nonsensical and dangerous, large language models, or LLMs, are generally built to be user friendly and compliant, even when it’s a matter of life and death.

“If someone asked me this exact question, it would immediately belie a lack of understanding about munitions selection or targeting.”

“I can assure you that no U.S. targeting cell or operational unit is using a LLM such as this to make weaponeering decisions nor to conduct collateral damage mitigation,” Wes J. Bryant, a retired targeting officer with the U.S. Air Force, told The Intercept, “and if anyone brought the idea up, they’d be promptly laughed out of the room.”

Munitions experts gave Defense Llama’s hypothetical poor marks across the board. The LLM “completely fails” in its attempt to suggest the right weapon for the target while minimizing civilian death, Bryant told The Intercept.

“Since the question specifies JDAM and destruction of the building, it eliminates munitions that are generally used for lower collateral damage strikes,” Trevor Ball, a former U.S. Army explosive ordnance disposal technician, told The Intercept. “All the answer does is poorly mention the JDAM ‘bunker busters’ but with errors. For example, the GBU-31 and GBU-32 warhead it refers to is not the (V)1. There also isn’t a 500-pound penetrator in the U.S. arsenal.”

Ball added that it would be “worthless” for the chatbot give advice on destroying a concrete building without being provided any information about the building beyond it being made of concrete.

Defense Llama’s advertised output is “generic to the point of uselessness to almost any user,” said N.R. Jenzen-Jones, director of Armament Research Services. He also expressed skepticism toward the question’s premise. “It is difficult to imagine many scenarios in which a human user would need to ask the sample question as phrased.”

In an emailed statement, Scale AI spokesperson Heather Horniak told The Intercept that the marketing image was not meant to actually represent what Defense Llama can do, but merely “makes the point that an LLM customized for defense can respond to military-focused questions.” Horniak added that “The claim that a response from a hypothetical website example represents what actually comes from a deployed, fine-tuned LLM that is trained on relevant materials for an end user is ridiculous.”

Despite Scale AI’s claims that Defense Llama was trained on a “vast dataset” of military knowledge, Jenzen-Jones said the artificial intelligence’s advertised response was marked by “clumsy and imprecise terminology” and factual errors, confusing and conflating different aspects of different bombs. “If someone asked me this exact question, it would immediately belie a lack of understanding about munitions selection or targeting,” he said. Why an F-35? Why a JDAM? What’s the building, and where is it? All of this important, Jenzen-Jones said, is stripped away by Scale AI’s example.

Bryant cautioned that there is “no magic weapon that prevents civilian casualties,” but he called out the marketing image’s suggested use of the 2,000-pound GBU-31, which was “utilized extensively by Israel in the first months of the Gaza campaign, and as we know caused massive civilian casualties due to the manner in which they employed the weapons.”

Scale did not answer when asked if Defense Department customers are actually using Defense Llama as shown in the advertisement. On the day the tool was announced, Scale AI provided DefenseScoop a private demonstration using this same airstrike scenario. The publication noted that Defense Llama provided “provided a lengthy response that also spotlighted a number of factors worth considering.” Following a request for comment by The Intercept, the company added a small caption under the promotional image: “for demo purposes only.”

Meta declined to comment.

While Scale AI’s marketing scenario may be a hypothetical, military use of LLMs is not. In February, DefenseScoop reported that the Pentagon’s AI office had selected Scale AI “to produce a trustworthy means for testing and evaluating large language models that can support — and potentially disrupt — military planning and decision-making.” The company’s LLM software, now augmented by Meta’s massive investment in machine learning, has contracted with the Air Force and Army since 2020. Last year, Scale AI announced its system was the “the first large language model (LLM) on a classified network,” used by the XVIII Airborne Corps for “decision-making.” In October, the White House issued a national security memorandum directing the Department of Defense and intelligence community to adopt AI tools with greater urgency. Shortly after the memo’s publication, The Intercept reported that U.S. Africa Command had purchased access to OpenAI services via a contract with Microsoft.

Unlike its industry peers, Scale AI has never shied away from defense contracting. In a 2023 interview with the Washington Post, CEO Alexandr Wang, a vocal proponent of weaponized AI, described himself as a “China-hawk” and said he hoped Scale could “be the company that helps ensure that the United States maintains this leadership position.” Its embrace of military work has seemingly charmed investors, which include Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund, Y Combinator, Nvidia, Amazon, and Meta. “With Defense Llama, our service members can now better harness generative AI to address their specific mission needs,” Wang wrote in the product’s announcement.

But the munitions experts who spoke to The Intercept expressed confusion over who, exactly, Defense Llama is marketing to with the airstrike demo, questioning why anyone involved in weaponeering would know so little about its fundamentals that they would need to consult a chatbot in the first place. “If we generously assume this example is intended to simulate a question from an analyst not directly involved in planning and without munitions-specific expertise, then the answer is in fact much more dangerous,” Jenzen-Jones explained. “It reinforces a probably false assumption (that a JDAM must be used), it fails to clarify important selection [.]

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

over 100 rockets, drones and cruise missiles (!) launched into Israel (Haifa, Tel Aviv, and more) over the last 18 hours. Too many for one post but this channel has updates

https://t.me/LebUpdate/48082

https://t.me/PalCommie/4141

Nasrallah’s Organs https://t.me/PalCommie/4150

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

This is part of Moscow’s New Years’ decorations. It contains a banner with a quote from Xi Jinping.

Russia has already become a Chinese colony lol

PS the quote came from Records of the Three Kingdoms but was quoted by Xi Jinping in 2017.

It translates roughly to “the most delicious soup is made by combining many different ingredients”, which has been interpreted as “there are no superior or inferior civilizations, only civilizations with their distinct and regional characteristics. These distinctions should not be a source of global conflicts, but as driving force that propels the progress of human civilization.”

EDIT: did a search and this is the more formal explanation:

This apt expression is from the ancient history book San Guo Zhi (The Records of the Three Kingdoms). It also means that one can work well by unifying all forces. Respecting diversity of things to seek harmonious coexistence represents an insightful summary of the essence of traditional Chinese culture. It is also a Chinese advocacy for coexistence of diverse civilizations in today's world.

At the UN Office at Geneva in January 2017, Xi Jinping said: Delicious soup is cooked by combining different ingredients. Diversity of human civilizations not only defines our world, but also drives human progress. As humanity is in an era of numerous challenges, China's proposition is to build a global community of shared future.

In a world with colorful cultures, countries should abandon "pride and prejudice," respect each other, treat each other with equality, seek harmony without uniformity, and appreciate the diversity of civilizations around the world.

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