deer have pretty much no predators and there is more than enough of them to go around. youre recommending buying shit walmart meat from a meat factory instead? hilarious. hunting should be the only way people get meat.
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I don't reeeally want to get into this, but if suddenly every meat-eater with a gun roams the countryside in search of animals to hunt, you're going to see a lot of extinct species pretty quickly, I assume. Just say people shouldn't eat meat
ok hunting should be the only way to get meat but also you should only be allowed to hunt with your bare hands
Why is eating deer the first thing to come to mind for that? Just kill the deer and be done with it if you have to do it that way. Imagine calling pest control and finding them munching on bugs in your basement lol
Just kill the deer and be done with it if you have to do it that way.
What a colossal and unnecessary waste of resources!!
I would really love to know how they want to "be done with it" and why killing an animal and then not using it is better than making use of it.
Because we're all being super edgy and saying "fuck poor white people" to prove were the real socialists lol
Burn the corpses or something. Quit making animal bodies a "resource" to be exploited. That is how eg. ivory poaching is dealt with.
The solution to everything isn't creating a market out of it to exploit yet more profit
The solution to everything isn't creating a market out of it to exploit yet more profit
i didn't suggest that at all. it's just offensive to me to kill animals that we are practiced at using the resources of and then just burning it for reasons. i'm not making animal bodies a resource to be exploited by suggesting that if they are killed they should be used. you coming for indigenous practices of ecology next, or what?
you coming for indigenous practices of ecology next, or what?
No, that isn't for me to discuss. I'm not sure if you are indigenous or not. I'll leave it to indigenous people to discuss.
I am talking about capitalist states exploiting animal bodies because they see "pest control" and read "potential market to exploit," pushing propaganda that we should kill deer because ___ and that not using their body parts is wrong because ___. If those blanks are filled in with indigenous beliefs but are actually carried out by white people and corporations, then we've got a problem
I am talking about capitalist states exploiting animal bodies
you are demonstrably not.
you have said to me this
Why is eating deer the first thing to come to mind for that? Just kill the deer and be done with it if you have to do it that way. Imagine calling pest control and finding them munching on bugs in your basement lol
which is equating deer with vermin,
and this
Burn the corpses or something. Quit making animal bodies a "resource" to be exploited. That is how eg. ivory poaching is dealt with.
The solution to everything isn't creating a market out of it to exploit yet more profit
which is unrelated to the idea of solving the immediate problem of industrialized urban development creating unsustainable conditions for deer population explosion and then extinction, which requires ecological management of some sort to save the deer themselves. yes, that's because of a problem caused by capitalism, but nobody is talking about that. you and i are not discussing whether capitalism ethically creates the means and conditions for handling that ecological problem: it obviously does not. you're also not making an argument about the socioeconomics of the hunting industry, which absolutely exists, and serves people who are far far crueler to animals than the very wide set of people that would prefer to use the deer rather than kill and burn it.
i ask this as a general point to you, a member of this communist website to ponder: do you want to feel proud for owning me morally, or do you want to actually try to convince people that they shouldn't eat the deer, etc.? because you're not going to convince even good faith people of whatever you're arguing when you form your arguments like this. i might agree with all or most of your thoughts, but it's hard to tell when you're just angrily shouting at people.
pushing propaganda that we should kill deer because ___ and that not using their body parts is wrong because ___
insidious propaganda such as: "maybe we should avoid ecological collapse" and "maybe we should actually do something useful with the bodies instead of just leaving them to rot"
If those blanks are filled in with indigenous beliefs but are actually carried out by white people and corporations, then we've got a problem
it is actually illegal for white people to practice indigenous ecology - you apparently
You're recreating the ivory market, where they just kill the animal and then burn the corpse because they don't give a shit about not wasting the animal aka viewing it as a resource.
You're saying the ivory trade involves indiscriminate killing of animals and destroying their bodies totally, including the tusks/horns/etc? Not killing animals with the largest tusks/horns/etc. and selling that ivory?
Also that the ivory trade would be marginally okay if the hunters and poachers ate a little elephant meat before sawing off its tusks? The elephant is dead no matter what. The reason for its death is the tusks.
If the goal is indeed to indiscriminately kill animals to reduce their population, the solution isn't to create a market for artificial selective population pressure. This is why elephants are evolving to have smaller tusks: these are the ones that survive the gaze of ivory hunters.
Also that the ivory trade would be marginally okay if the hunters and poachers ate a little elephant meat before sawing off its tusks?
literally nobody said that
The elephant is dead no matter what.
And the deer is dead no matter what. Why not use the body for something useful?
literally nobody said that
I'm following your ethical logic. The killing itself is not bad, but how much you use the corpse. Doing nothing with it is bad. Doing something is better. Using all of it is best?
And the deer is dead no matter what. Why not use the body for something useful?
Because using it for something useful is what caused it to be dead in the first place
What a capitalist mindset!!
One time a raccoon crawled under my home and died. We threw it out. Did I waste the resource? Maybe I could have made a quick buck, or saved a few dollars on a meal?
One time a raccoon crawled under my home and died. We threw it out. Did I waste the resource?
Animals that die of disease are obviously not the same as healthy animals that are killed. If you kill a healthy deer and then just leave its body to rot, you are wasting the body.
People eat roadkill. The animal is already dead. You might as well do something with the body.
A stupid, dumb, and wrong take like so many others from this account.
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The rural poor would suffer from this.
Op is probably ok with that given how openly contemptuous he is towards the rural poor
I mean the entire post is clearly reiterating he thinks they should fuck off and suffer.
Seems super productive and not in any way performative.
Counterpoint: whitetail deer are insanely overpopulated to the point that they’re spreading a prion disease.
Maybe running an industrial scale drive and cull on that population would be nicer than being confronted with the absurdity of hunting culture, but it would also be orders of magnitude more expensive and unpopular.
Most overpopulations of animals is due to their predators having been hunted to or near extinction for the sake of agriculture or other human interests. You're justifying exploiting them based on man made conditions. And that's not to mention government subsidized breeding programs to inflate populations for hunting seasons.
I'm not necessarily arguing against a solution, but be honest about the reason for the situation.
You’re right. Humans drove out the predators and created a new environment that makes their recovery to previous numbers and range impossible. People need to take responsibility for stewardship of the populations people have disrupted.
I’m only familiar with the breeding programs in my state and the neighboring ones, but they’re all pretty tightly conducted by experts in the field of wildlife management (which is not just a jumped up job title for hicks). I don’t doubt that in some weird states they don’t care if you selectively breed 38 point bucks that can’t carry their heads high enough to look out for predators and release em into the wild, but the few I know of have restrictions on that type of selection.
Reintroducing predator species seems less murdery
Probably not to the deer
I’m sure if the deer were able to express themselves clearly and understood the options they’d choose captive bolt gun over being eaten alive after running and fighting to exhaustion.
Reintroducing predators is also pretty universally disliked by the people who will eventually be in contact with them for good reason.
Bring back wolves!
This is only satire if the mods remove it
I think what you are getting to is trophy hunting is for the 
.
Shouldn't ban white people from ethically legally hunting for the sake of food. That should be everyone's right within a reasonable conservation limit. Thus the licenses. Yes trophy killing is excessive and can lead to population decline. Human's 
obsession is destroying wild habitat.
While I totally get 
, I think you're overdoing it a bit.
Hey, if there were less hunters, there'd be less unattended ammo cans left in the back of pickups for me to yoink
be careful, the firearms aspect of that could get a charge to contain words like "deadly weapon" and multiply itself into decades of prison, who knows
hunting should be allowed , not ranged weapons tho !
Think we are confusing trophy hunting for rich petite bougie peeps "look at the size of the racks on this buck!!!!", versus having a functional system that prioritizes native land rights and resource management as well as seasonal tags with specifics (i.e. so many doe, so many bucks, so many elderly) to keep populations from collapsing (deer island anyone?)
For me I did a lot of fishing with my folks and friends for lots of invasive species, mainly pike and carp (fucking hell fish that they are) which alongside good bounties for other invasives (new zealand mud snails) with geo taging their locations can actually lead to great participation with the local ecology, its just that most people view hunting as it is because it is a vanity project for the rich.
Also deer stands should be fucking illegal. You wanna hunt then get off your ass and track what you're after.