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[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 days ago (1 children)

First they came for the White Nationalists

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then they came for the pro-Whites

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then they came for the pro-Western Culturists

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then they came for the anti-Marxists

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then they came for the Christians

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then they came for the Whites

And I did not speak out

Because it was based

Then I still did not speak out

Because there was no one left

to come after me

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago

order-of-lenin

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fascism in a nutshell:

frothingfash porky-scared-flipped grill-broke : “We are genetically flawless….VICTIMS!”

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Designed in a lab and grown in a vat for a singular purpose: To eat shit spectacularly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Erm.. mods!!! Admins!!!!!!! This """"""moderator""""""" is Ya[REDACTED]b posting anf most be banned posthaste!!!

dream-journal-2

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why in 2019-2022 do they need to outlaw the same thing 4 times

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Do you mean 2019-2023?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Christians can at least occasionally be leftist (see: Claudia de la Cruz), but anyone who identifies as one of the first four is 100% a fascist, no exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

70% of all Christians aren't white, and Christianity started in the middle east

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

Trump was in office in 2019 and 2020 lol

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What I'm learning is that it's still legal to be cis? Not good enough

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

That post is from 2019 or earlier, fascists didn't know what cis means back then

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Not just Christianity, but all religion being illegal would be a net positive for the world.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

[–] bdonvr 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I get where you're coming from but the legal system is absolutely not the way to get there.

I think better, more extensive education is the only way really. And we've been seeing that fruit over the past century as schooling became more universal (as compared to 100 years ago, of course.)

The kind of educational system we'd have under a socialist world...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I get where you're coming from but the legal system is absolutely not the way to get there.

Worst case scenario of this is something like France's laicite which on paper is against all public flaunting of religion but in practice just means "fuck the Muslims."

[–] bdonvr 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah, religious norms become social/societal norms - or at least heavily influence them.

This becomes quickly problematic when you start thinking about how this can make it very easy to discriminate against more ethnic minorities/immigrants than anything since they're more likely to dress differently (in a way that often is religiously influenced, even if they themselves aren't devout)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Agreed. The legal system can still be manipulated and used to manipulate others. Education is truly the only way to rid the world of religion.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hard disagree.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

L take

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's a meaningless wish.

How are you going to enforce making all religion illegal?

If attempted, I can't think of anything more unifying and radicalizing for modern theists than this laughable attempt. That's exactly how you'd probably end up with a new wave of hardcore theocracies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It would be a generational process, not something immediate. Slowly educate and phase it out over time, until younger generations no longer see the need or rely on it as people do now. To act as if it is some completely impervious institution is just idiotic. It can't be done immediately, but it can and should eventually be phased out.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is white chauvinism bullshit. You gonna tell me you're all for eradicating indigenous practices of colonized people. Because where you draw the line is important.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would like to know how these Reddit atheists are going to convince Jewish people to give up Judaism (and not have them replace Judaism with Zionism).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Ah yeah. The two kinds of jew, religious and zionist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

"Eradicate" is overly charged. I don't see any reason why ceremonies or cultural traditions would be erased by providing more scientific education to the masses.

The knowledge of our ancestors can still be taught, and traditions upheld without literally believing that there are dieties or ghosts or whatever.

I dunno, this just strikes me as the "veganism is flawed because indigenous people should be able to hunt" argument, but applied to religion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Holy shit no. Though like with what 9to5 said any actual changes to religious or spiritual practices would be long after our times, but again there's a bit of a false equivelency between exploitative structures like centralized churches and general practices of indigenous cultures. I have no issue with individual practice, just the structures that can arise from them.

You're overcorrecting due to the shitiness that is new atheism, and willfully blinding yourself to the issues that stand with organized religion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not overcorrecting when we have had an issue with new atheist reactionary shit on this very site.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're using it to dismiss legitimate criticisms though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

oh yes the very insightful analysis of "religion bad"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Alright, see, I can work with that. I don't agree with it, but at least it's more than a kneejerk reaction. The thing is, slowly phasing out religion or spirituality as a concept is something that would probably only happen long after the left has "won," however that may look. So we are talking about something that is most likely not gonna happen within our lifetime if it ever happens. Its bascially a sci-fi at that point and at least right now not very relevant to the struggles or battles ahead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Fair enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Nope. State atheism was the USSR's biggest unforced error.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

State atheism was good actually. The orthodox church didn't stop with their anticommunism before their marginalisation, during their marginalisation or after they were invited back. No amount of grace extended to the Orthodox or Catholic churches by communist movement has been received in good faith or with gratitude or had ever stopped them from trying to quell communism.

Lenin said that the church is nothing but an instrument of bourgeois reaction, and the church has spent a century proving him right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

In retrospect, they should've just kept the religious status quo but made every single member of the clergy be a card-carrying member of the CPSU subject to internal party discipline while banning all other "independent" churches. Religious dogma should incorporate things like "Jesus said communism rules and capitalism drools" and "the bourgeoisie go straight to hell when they die because the bourgeoisie are not human." Christians who don't accept Jesus's teaching that communism is based get excommunicated and send to hell where the rest of the bourgeoisie are burning as well.

Overall, China handled religion a lot better. There isn't a hard push for state atheism (although I think the CPC is officially an atheist organization), but all religious groups have to swear loyalty to socialism with Chinese characteristics and submit themselves to the will of the socialist state. Those that don't toe the socialist line like Falun Gong have the hammer dropped on them.

The way the CPC handled Tibetan Buddhism is an illustrative example. Instead of abolishing a particular branch of Buddhism that used the skins of serfs for their drums, the CPC incorporated Tibetan Buddhism within the state apparatus. Whenever some religious leader dies and a new "reincarnation" has to appear to take their place, by sheer coincidence, the "reincarnation" who eventually appears is someone who the CPC liked the most.

This is the way to go. People need to quit being Reddit atheists and think strategically about this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

While I agree it was an error, it's hard for me to say it was the biggest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In what way?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Willfully alienating a vast swathe of your population over a policy that gains you fuck all is bad politics

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What's really smart though is the communist government sanctioning an organisation actively involved in anti communism. That's good politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, the smart thing to do is to liquidate the existing clergy and replace them with communist clergy who incorporate communist ideology into religious dogma.