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What's with all these stores offering weak ass 20% discounts? Either make it like 40%+ or don't bother tbh.
I saw a 10%
they need to do better
Scientists studying entropy could learn a lot by analyzing my hair rn
Pikachu is a dumb rat and Eevee should have been the mascot
Raichu is better anyway, and Eevee is better than both. In fact, Eevee's better than most pokemon
Eevee was the mascot for a bit in Let's Go, Eevee and I loved my Eevee to bits I gave them little glasses and pet them so much
This isn't badposting
just shaved the side of my own head that was scary
i had it done professionally a couple of months ago so i just had to follow what was done before
I think that re-dyeing my leather jacket went well. I will probably give it a few touch-ups this weekend, but the color looks pretty consistent. It was already dark brown, but now it's basically black, so it'll match the rest of my show outfit better.
I also found a choker on Hot Topic that would match, but they don't have expedited shipping so it won't arrive in time, so I'm probably going to drive an hour to the city to check the several locations there tomorrow. Just hope it isn't sold out for black friday.
americans are so horny for marching bands it's weird
We crave the death of people trampling on us.
lesbiam boyfriend spilled my soup
I cried
she sounds like a horrible person
No, just stupid
I used to think of myself as some sort of mildly sex repulsed ace but nowadays I feel more like some sort of CisHet relationship repulsed demisexual
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Menstruation is making me suicidal. I hate this.
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Itβs really the worst. The pain and depression is bad but the dysphoria I get from it makes it so so much worse. I hope you get through it okay π«
Transmasc treatment isn't my ballpark, but don't they have ways to prevent menstruation? I know birth control can do this, or you can go the nuclear option of having your ovaries removed. Though you wont be able to have kids (oh noooooooo)
T can usually stop it, and quickly. But it doesn't work for everyone. A hysterectomy (not removal of the ovaries, just the uterus) will also stop menstruation completely.
watching other people chop vegetables is terrifying ngl
why is your thumb so close to the blade aah
i have made 300 mince pies a week for the last eight weeks and i'm still not done i hate these things
This is silly and I'm really dumb so take all this with a grain of salt but I saw a few posts in here yesterday (https://hexbear.net/comment/5675116) about a concept of gender as a point in some kind of geometric space, then I spent a while trying to write a formal definition of "gender" in Metamath :3 I will ping the posters too perhaps
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long dumb math talking
It seemed simple enough at first, I figured I would start from Tarski's axioms of geometry (I like the first-order theories as a dumb person :3), weaken them or drop them appropriately to get appropriate abstractness of "gender" but I kept thinking about it and more and more it seemed less and less like geometry. Like what does it mean for a gender "point" to be between other gender points? Are genders congruent??
So I started thinking, maybe gender would be best represented as some kind of topological space. I had never even heard of topology before so I spent like 5 hrs reading about it, tearing apart the Metamath definitions, and I still only very vaguely kind of get it (my vibe is that the definitions of topology I read about as collections of open subsets of sets or the neighborhood stuff don't actually describe very well what people actually use topology for lol). Now I will go up, starting from the bottom, the traditional topological space hierarchy and explain why I can't seem to make it work for gender:
Inner product spaces I quickly skipped over cuz they seemed too restricting, not general enough
A normed vector space initially seemed kinda close to the original informal definition of gender given by Lilypad:
"I have thought about gender as an N-dimensional space, where Nβ₯0
. For every persons experience of gender, i think of it as the area where for βnβN
, n>0
, with completely agender being that for βnβN, n=0
."
Is a very pretty way to think of it imo. I moved on from this for similar reasons to metric spaces, which I will describe
What about metric spaces? Metric spaces are even closer to Lilypad's informal definition and are the traditional formalism for Euclidean spaces (a metric space with 3 dimensions r3). I couldn't make Tarki's geometry work conceptually but maybe a metric space would work? Is just that I ran into the same problem, which is that dimensions of a space imply 2 binary directions. Like what mean is (sorry am not so fluent in math language yet), a single-dimensioned vector is either going in a direction x or going in the complementary opposite direction of x (-x or signed x or idk). In Euclidean space it is like a "positive" x or y or z direction vs its complementary "negative" x or y or z direction. In other words, 2 vectors that are equal except for 1 component are on the same line. The problem is, I can't think of any gender thing like this except for the masculine-feminine binary and I don't want to concede that gender is really just a bunch of different gender binaries deep down. The other problem, which I think is also implicit in the informal definition, is that metric spaces by definition have a concept of "distance", which is a function that takes 2 points and "returns" a real-valued distance > 0 for 2 distinct points, and I can't think of a way to formalize the metaphorical distance between genders without breaking all of the axioms that make a metric space a metric space (Like I didn't mention distances have to obey the triangle inequality lol) and without a non-real-valued distance function
So then... I considered........ topological spaces which are so general that it's quite hard to get a grasp on and everyone is just making their own special useful topological spaces under a bunch of different names. To be more specific and vague at the same time, one definition is: a topology T of a set X is a collection of "open" subsets of that set that satisfies the following conditions: the empty set and X are in T, any arbitrary union (like adding the elements of 2 sets together into one big set) of elements of T is in T, the intersection (the set of only common elements between 2 sets) of any finite number of of elements of T is in T. This seems like the {good, bad, {}, {good, bad}} thing about topologies..... they're so fucking general that you can use them for so many things, yet so vague you're gonna be making your types of topologies to do anything cool with them. Like there are 2 kinds of topologies in general which are discrete topologies where you meet those requirements uhhh "enthusiastically" and do every possible union and as many intersections before it becomes infinite (idk where there that is ) or indiscrete topologies where "you" did the minimum possible to meet those requirements and your topology T of X is literally just { {}, X } lol. And all the interesting topologies are somewhere in-between those kinds of topologies. Oh, and that's just one definition, also the most general (most useless, I just want my gender topology smh). There is an equivalent definition, which is way more interesting for our purposes, based on a concept of "neighborhoods" which brings a concept of "closeness" into it (as in you can make topologies of sets based on how "close" the elements are to each other or something lol). I am getting tired of writing though, so go look that up for yourself if you want lol
A topological space is something like an ordered pair of a "base" set X and its topologies. So I guess what we are interested in for our "gender" topological space is the set of all "genders" and its topologies..... maybe. The basic idea here which I am clutching to and on the verge of dropping it into a vast sea of abstractness is uhhhh oh, yeah, I think I just lost it
Are there any math nerds who can help?
I spill my set
Yeah, like you said, you need a metric as well to induce a topology. Metrics only need to meet 3 definitions, that between any two elements/points in the space must be 0 or positive. That the distance between a point and another must be the same as the other point and the first one (no changing distance between view points). And the hard one is that it must obey the triangle inequality, the other two are always the easier ones to prove a proposed metric meets the definition.
Also the zero metric is a valid metric, which is just for x=/=y d(x,y)=0, if x=y d(x,y)=0. It is left as an exercise to the reader to prove it meets the definition of a metric. Which when it comes to the space of all possible genders, yeah the zero metric induces a totally valid and boring topology lol
Okay, fuck it, set theory? More like sweat theory!!!! I need to get category-pilled or something
The correct response to someone asserting Russell's paradox is to shove that nerd in a locker
No wonder the set theorists didn't do that, all turbo-nerds themselves smh, who else could come up with topology
"WOKE, LIBERAL (NAIVE) SET THEORIST DESTROYED by LOGIC and REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM"
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I took my first bicalutamide. You're supposed to just swallow it, right?