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He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours' long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It's really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist 'nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies' tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The person who first told me to read Mao, which got me into Marxism-Leninism in general, has become totally incoherent during the pandemic. The difference between us is that I have experience participating in organizations and seeing them fail the marginalized up close, and I experienced some of the same relief Hồ Chí Minh described as I took in Marxism Leninism, but my friend's individualist tendencies have not exposed them enough to the fatal downsides of meandering eclecticism. They are now an antivaxxer who sees all public health as draconian, no AES are good enough for them, just sort of stuck at the Chomsky and Foucault despair dead end.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Met a kid online when I was a teenager who was the first communist I ever knew.
Then he went to college and was literally brainwashed by liberal propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

The conservatives were right.....

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The trotskyist who helped a lot to radicalize me (I later became an ML thanks to hexbear) got a good job with the teamsters and is now just a standard liberal as far as I can tell.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

trotskyist

a standard liberal

same-picture

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

‘nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick

I hate to be the first person in history to point this out, but your friend's vote doesn't determine who sits in the imperial throne. Your friend's vote is a superficial indicator of personal support for a given aspiring war criminal. The imperial president is appointed by an unelected council of elders chosen by from the two wings of the US bourgeois party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Drop the condescention, people understand that electorialism is a fuck, that's not the argument put forth. Have the common decency to assume that the people you're conversing with on a leftist instance has grasped the absolute bare minimum of political analysis. It's honestly frustrating to see alleged comrades pull this debatebro bullshit again and again. https://hexbear.net/post/3785751/5562247

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The friend who radicalized me is now a fascist-adjacent EU liberal.

It's depressing as fuck and I honestly don't know why, but at some point it's like he just decided to become a bad person. He was a communist when he was like 14, got me into it, then when he was like 17 he became a piece of shit. Insanely misogynistic, would only talk to women he wanted to have sex with, and just incredibly rude to people he didn't know, even when they were nice people.

Now he's moved to the Netherlands to study EU politics or something, and all I know about him comes from his Instagram posts. He posts ableist shit all the time, he's in love with the EU and he just posted a Ukrainian fascist badge which he owns.

I remember sitting in a park with him when we had just finished school, telling him that I was going to join an ML org. He snorted and called them larpers, to which I pointed out that he didn't do any political activity at all, and I'd rather larpers than nothing. He thought because he read Lacan and smoked weed and was cynical that he was above politics.

It's so depressing. He used to be genuinely empathetic. He was a feminist when every boy his age was sexist, he would always tell people of the evil shit the US does, he genuinely got angry at capitalism. Now he's just a sack of shit

[–] [email protected] 20 points 23 hours ago

It's because nobody is anything at 14. It's quite literally politics as aesthetic. Literally never trust teenagers to be consistently principled on anything going into the future, because those principles are purely ideal.

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