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Ope lemme just sneak past ya right there real quick oh sorry there whoops oh geez real sorry about that fella oh boy

Also real coward behavior by the guy here to to face away from the male model

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I actually went to this. It was a Marina Abramovic retrospective. I think the naked bouncers were only posted in position every now and again, cos I definitely did not have to squeeze past them. And that guy in particular was must've swapped around in the exhibition cos when I saw him he was lying down on a table, face-up with his nob out.

Also, one of the exhibits had this old lady wearing white robes, doing a fast on some structure elevated above the crowd. She would only drink water for the whole run of the exhibition. Her entire living space was essentially cross sectioned, so that even her toilet was on display for all to see - and where she slept, and so on. She looked absolutely miserable but her eyes said 'dont worry, I'm on a spiritual/artistic journey'.

There was a quote from Abramovic (whose work this lady was replicating), about how on day 4 she went a bit loopy and felt like she could see everyone's energetic wavelengths or something.

Anyway, I thought the old lady could do with a morale boost so I smiled and waved at her, and gave a nod of 'respect, brah'. People were not pleased with that. I felt a sudden encirclement of dirty looks. Even my partner was a bit pissed off that I did it.

The experience introduced to me the debate of 'what even is arts etiquette'? Am I not free to consume it however I want? It's performance art - the whole point is the relationship between the live subject and connection you feel with them in the room. I said sorry anyway, and I can see that I was being a bit of a bellend, if I'm honest...

But inside I wondered - why am I the bellend? I'm the only person here treating the other human in the room like a human rather than like a zoo animal. The etiquette is to navel gaze and swill your wine. No wonder performance art is almost exclusively the realm of middle and upper classes.

If I was her - stuck in the rafters of the Royal Academy for a week, people staring me down every single time I take an increasingly watery shit - I'd at least want someone to rock-paper-scissors me at some point.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow how dare you interact with art you're supposed to give money to the art and observe the art and go hmm yes this is art to the art. You are absolutely under no circumstances supposed to INTERACT with the art. That might reduce the VALUE of the art. Experiencing the art and going "wow it's kind of weird that nobody is treating this human that is doing the art like a human" and actually thinking about the art is NOT PART OF THE ART no-i-in-pezza

Honestly fuck art snobs and the entire art world. I know many artists and the "art world" does not and has not and will not ever do a single fucking thing for the humans that actually make art. You were 100% in the right for silently interacting with the art in your own way. Anyone who tells you otherwise is too stuck up their own bourgeois THE SANCTITY OF THE ART WORLD ass and should be disregarded.

Anyone who disagrees feel free to struggle below but you will literally never convince me otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

Honestly fuck art snobs and the entire art world. I know many artists and the "art world" does not and has not and will not ever do a single fucking thing for the humans that actually make art. You were 100% in the right for silently interacting with the art in your own way. Anyone who tells you otherwise is too stuck up their own bourgeois THE SANCTITY OF THE ART WORLD ass and should be disregarded.

Anyone who disagrees feel free to struggle below but you will literally never convince me otherwise.

eric-andre

Your take is also my take. "High" contemporary art is high on its own farts and powered by rich asshole money laundering. The "rebellion" of postmodernism is the establishment and is over a century old now.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

But inside I wondered - why am I the bellend? I'm the only person here treating the other human in the room like a human rather than like a zoo animal. The etiquette is to navel gaze and swill your wine. No wonder performance art is almost exclusively the realm of middle and upper classes.

The art world has been ossified somewhat by a very long period of "art is about subversion for its own sake and making sure the stupid peasants don't get it." Art should challenge its subjects (and the artists) regularly, but the idea of "being hostile to the audience is smart and cool" is over a century old and is no longer rebellious... it is the establishment now.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pretty much all performance art interrogates the relationship between the artist and the audience as spectator and the audience as participant. The audience is pretty much definitionally a part of performance art. Also treating a performance with hushed reverence and enforcing a strict separation between art and the audience is quite literally a cornerstone of bourgeois respectability, historically speaking

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'll be honest I'd do the same thing you did but I'd double down (appropriately, gauging the person putting themselves on exhibition willingness to interact with me) and definitely do a round or few of rock paper scissors.

But it's less out of a sense of kindness towards our fellow man and more out of spite for the artificial self-imposed chains of swine that thinks themselves better than they truly are.

Also because a good bout of random rock paper scissors is always fun

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also real coward behavior by the guy here to to face away from the male model

How do you know he doesn't enjoy having his back turned

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

Extremely valid point

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This seems kinda not great for the models. At best it seems like it would get cold. Just seems kinda weird to pay someone to stand in a doorway so people need to brush up on their tiddies/dong. Generally when people pay models to do things like this it'd considered bad but it seems to get a pass when it's 'provocative art'. Also I'd probably keep saying excuse me louder and louder until they move cause I'm not a Midwesterner

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

As New Yorker, I would probably yell EYYY I'M TRYIN TO SEE SOME ART OVAH HERE QUIT BLOCKING THE FREAKING DOOR GO METS

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

can't afford clothes due to BIDENflation

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Bidenflation Rule34

Wait this isn’t google

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

Think about it, Derek

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Underrated.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Going through multiple times but with different shitty disguises like a fake mustache or sombrero.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago

Bisexual excellence hexbear-bi

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

bocchi-glitch

Hell, even if they were fully clothed... bocchi-head-shake

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

No one gets me like Bocchi gets me

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

lemme just scooch past ya there

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

As a former midwesterner, I feel seen.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

gonna SNEAK past'cha chief

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

This is literally the people as furniture bit from Soylent Green, and even people at the top of the modeling racket in the west make me uncomfortable thinking about everyone on the lower rungs of the pyramid scheme being pushed around by the little Kanyes and Epsteins of the world.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago

Racists are going to have a field day with this one :yea:

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

*flinstones dinosaur voice* "it's a living"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Idk I think the models would space themselves accordingly to make it equally awkward for every patron

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Do they try to keep the same nude-pressure applied or ratio of rubbed surface / total body surface?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

god I hope so

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

How long do the models need to stand there? Do they get breaks, do they swap after a few hours? Do people who are sick get to go around them? I wouldn't want them to catch covid from anyone. I think these nude models need a union.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

Its extremely silly that people would be confronted by the idea of having to sqeeeze between two people uet here we. Culturally, are.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

I’m a midwesterner, trust me, this is a dream come true.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I too would face the pretty naked lady instead of the pretty naked man. call me a coward, see if I care

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would face the male model for fear of seeming like a creep. They're both hot though.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

i would make deep eye contact with both at the same time by splitting my form and mirroring myself back to back, with a pair of pilot eyes facing forward

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck 😱 💀

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I face away from the guy because I'm a misandrist, you face away from the guy because you're afraid of accidentally docking. We are not the same.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

I see that dumb_lucre watermark on the pic. Same guy who posted CP on twitter to make a point and is still there. Yeah this will be a long one

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What if the guy on the right gets a boner? Do you have to jerk them off to get through?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

Do you have to jerk them off

You make it sound like a chore soviet-huff

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Thats the turnstyle

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Am I allowed to also be nude when I squeeze through?

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