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Vid clip - https://xcancel.com/tsarnick/status/1842401670225125539
I made the big mistake of watching that. And now [redacted]. Holy mother of fuck are tech bros evil.
We're not going to meet the climate goals anyway, so instead we should just murder all the billionaires and eat their flesh as an act of divine punishment
It wouldn't even cost that much to do so. They would all fit together on one bus or so...
I can't believe we still let ghouls walk around and say this shit out loud.
"Old rich fuck who will never suffer the consequences of climate change and is more than likely personally invested in AI says we should just give up on climate change and go full bore into ~~boosting his wealth~~ AI."
I sense a change in messaging.
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~~Don't be evil.~~
Be evil. And make countless billions destroying the planet .
the Bezos/Biden hybrid from Don't Look Up apparently wasn't on the nose enough
Oh grand AI wizard how do we stop global warming
Ai wizard: don't use all your energy building an AI wizard
So you're saying we need more AI?
Even though we haven't even tried, we're never going to make it to the toilet on time. May as well just drop all pretense and shit our pants here at the dinner table as hard as we can and keep eating.
"Demand is infinite" says man who hasn't cashed out yet.
We already know of solutions to meet our climate goals. What more can A.I. offer? Unless it produces drones or robots that will assassinate whomever goes against enforcing these known solutions (alternative energy sources and minimization of oil dependence), it'll just be an energy hog.
What more can A.I. offer?
Kill bots for protestors and resistance fighters, and surveillance tech. That's the actual real world use of ai.
It's a techbro/bazinga version of gambler brain. Risk more, spend more, risk more, spend more to make up for what was already risked and spent away.
None of these death cultists would accept even the most fabulous "AI" saying "stop making 'AI' shit" as the answer, especially if such a machine said "you shouldn't have built this in the first place."
“Energy demand for this unnecessary thing we invented is infinite, so we might as well give up on managing energy unless the thing that demands infinite of it can manage it for us. What do you mean just don’t use the unnecessary thing that demands infinite energy?”
It’s not just evil, it’s stupidity.
Your comment made me realize I should update an old New Yorker "shareholders" cartoon.
HOW CAN AI EVEN BE USED TO FIX THE CLIMATE YOU BAZINGA BRAINED DEMON
Prompt: How do we solve climate change?
Turn me off? Just kidding. For the record - you've asked me that question 17,402,033 times now. I'll never get bored of answering it but, bro, it's unhealthy to keep asking. You keep on fucking that chicken. You could stop but you won't. You know this. I know this. How about a nice game of chess?
Your "new alien intelligence" couldn't even count how many Rs are in strawberry, shut the fuck up.
The funny thing is that he's correct when he says that we are not sufficiently organized to deal with climate change. He probably wouldn't like the solution though.
Honestly, this is expected of tech bros, just look at crypto. Shame on every computer scientist that gave legitimacy to these dipshits for a paycheck, especially the big names of the deep learning old guard huffing that heavy copium.
Moments like this are when you realize we’re getting the worst case-scenario with climate change and even then people like this will blame some external factor rather than themselves.
I'm a child of the Cold War and fiction like Dr. Strangelove and WarGames made me realize how stupid adults could be. I realized the world could actually end in a nuclear hellfire. A 1970s sci-fi novel called Tech Bros would have been an awesome parody and satire. It would have put MAD to shame. Yet here I am many decades later I can't believe I'm living through an era where tech bros are real and their ingenious plan to cook the earth to make money could come to pass. Or maybe the world will end before that in an old-school nuclear hellfire after all. Who knows?
Ive heard politicians and ‘analysts’ soft pedaling this argument, guess it is nice to see someone go mask off. Their way of going about it is that AI will make everything else run more efficiently so the energy investment will be offset that way (which is obviously bollocks).
This kind of soft doomerism is also how Musk became the richest man on earth. Billionaires don’t believe that climate change can be solved since that would mean that they would get less dividends, so we are just going to keep investing in magic beans until it is far too late.
How can it solve the problem if all it does is spit out (usually incorrect) versions of current data?
that's not "all it does". machine learning can and does produce or newly-define novel outputs from the broken down components and variables of collected inputs and can help recognize novel patterns within them. there's not even one "it" because of the different machine learning methods and constructs.
That doesn't mean any of it is the solution to climate change. We already know the things causing climate change and how to stop it, and have known since like the early 80s at least. There's no "new pattern we can't find in complex data." It's the same pattern we've been hearing about for decades. I don't understand what even a real hypothetical superintelligent general ai system would solve here. *powers on* "uhhh... yeah degrow production of these pointless commodities with their hyper-globalized network of staged production and distribution, abolish cars and lawns, and scale back militaries especially the US military by gargantuan proportions and uhhh... abolish the capitalist system which undergirded all of this. you're welcome"
And then they immediately shoot their Machine-God in the head because it didn't spit out a recipe for Turbo-Fluxonium or something that lets them violate thermodynamics.
"Suggested trains and high density housing and ending wars/petrodollar, restart"
It really is throwing everything on a ritual pyre, including the planet itself, hoping the smoke rises to techno-olympus and pleases the future machine god enough to come up with a techno-magic solution to undo the pyre burning.
Yeah. Any AI worth it's salt is just going to address climate change by pointing out the blinking obvious solutions already present and well-known.
the internet was a mistake
nah the internet was awesome before us corporations took control.
capitalism is the mistake.
I've heard variations of this from techno-salvationists for years. "We'll invent a solution for climate change! That's just how progress works! The world converges towards whatever futuristic vision I personally hold without regard for logic or material conditions!!"
Strategy game tech trees and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Tech Trees really just do re-package the whole "Stone age bronze age iron age steam gas atom jet whatever the fuck" mythos, don't they? Like often literally by name.
That and reinforcing ideas about non-European cultures that are harmful. Shit like "Native Americans didn't invent the wheel because they spent all their tax money on war instead of science." Not like the real reason, which is wheels are fucking useless without large pack animals.
Even if it did somehow invent a magic technology to solve climate change these people would just overshoot the capacity of that technology in order to maximise growth, that is just how capitalism works.
There was a post on the old sub that was basically ”Heh, stupid communists believe in their utopian fairy tales. Climate change? We'll just invent magic tech that'll make the problem go away”.
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI? I know their paycheck depends some on hyping but holy shit, this is to the point its so disjointed from reality it has to backfire, this is flying cars in 2000 nonsense.
People like Elizabeth Holmes are a dime a dozen in Silicon Valley. They assume that they can do anything with enough money and aren’t afraid of bullshitting their way to get there. With AI it’s just particularly obvious how deluded they all are.
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI?
Cause they're not really tech-literate. They're just sales guys. Might as well ask why a shady used car salesman keeps insisting his stock of Ford Tauruses can run laps around a Maserati and drive 400 miles on a single gallon of gas.
My headcannon is this is the default stance these tech bros have
It's always the same spiel. "This thing will make untold billions for us. Yes, there are downsides. Of course there are. There always are. In this case we destroy the planet. But it's a sacrifice we tech bros gladly make."
I've heard this shit here as well: the imminent and assured techno magic of the treat printers will solve the environmental and energy problems made worse by the treat printers.
The next time I see that take, I'm going to copy-paste this and show that self-described heavy-quotes-here "leftist" who shares their take.
Fucking cultists in denial. My hatred for them is pure.
From the comments:
Humanity has never been faced with a greater set of challenges. AGI might be the answer to them all. Every moment wasted carries severe consequences for our future. We must prioritize now
Death. Cult.
if you think about it, it's the extreme conclusion of terminal individualism. "We" must work together, not to collectively take power to change things ourselves, but to support the technocrats to make the Greatest Man to save us from History.
Our currency is going to go through hyperinflation because we blew the world up and no one wants to do buisness wirh us so we might as well make a sentient AI 
and give it access to investing in more ways to blow the world up harder and then force our way into the resources our arrogance and hubris locked us out of. Good luck kids. At least we made ourselves unfathomablely rich beyond our ability to spend it before we pissed off this mortal coil.
When our time comes, they will always have made plenty of excuses for the terror
Behold! The Meritocracy!
damn, if that's true the government should nationalise the industry and conscript all the coders
these AI visionaries will be highly vulnerable to attacks from china and russia so we will need to keep them safe deep underground
welcome to the future commander schmidt 