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Very sleek stuff, but reading the analysis gives bad vibes - what is their deal? Trot stuff? Can someone give me a good workup (I'm lazy)?

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They let all kinds of leftists write stuff, but the overall vibe is IMO more academic-brained bad rather than Trotskyist, trot vibes are a little bit funnier.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They let some dipshit write an article titled "Why socialists shouldn't abandon liberalism" or something lmao

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah! The vibe is so weird, I'll be looking at an elegant graph demonstrating income inequality and the next page is an article like that

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's academia brained "acceptable" socialist rhetoric. They are allowed to point out iniquities but when it comes to discussing What Is To Be Done lenin-shining they limit themselves to liberal electoral politics and cannot offer anything revolutionary because when it comes down to it they are almost entirely wealthy intelligentsia afraid of risking their cushy ivory tower positions.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

wealthy intelligentsia

What's funny about this is that academics are cushy but they're not even close to the wealth and power of the bourgeoisie. Yet another case of a group of people captured by liberalism because they earn a bit more than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let alone Jacobin for a second:

You think getting one article placed in a magazine makes you wealthy intelligentsia? Lol how much do you think writers make?

Unless they are already independently famous as an author, or it's a mega publication, the author of most magazine articles you've read probably made somewhere between 2 and low-4 figures for weeks worth of work

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

yeah this is true. Jacobin might trend a bit wealthier than a similarly (small) sized general interest mag, and intelligentsia I would say applies to the majority of their writers regardless (as professors and think tank people,) even if though they probably aren't wealthy. Article writing itself is generally not lucrative, and honestly neither is most levels of academia.

It'd be convenient if they were just rich but I think they're mostly genuine libs. It is probably still true that they would risk their jobs by advocating revolutionary actions

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Okay that's the bingo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

That's a good point, like they allowed some nerd-brained dudes read the cliffnotes of Marxism and then locked them in a room with a high grade printer and the 1968 Encyclopedia Britanniaca

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

I literally spit my drink everywhere what the fuck lol

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bhaskar Sunkara created Jacobin specifically with the intent of making Marxism more academic and aimed at the intelligentsia.

If you think that sounds like an attempt to sequester Marxism away from the proletariat by concealing it with obscurantist language and focusing on topics that are divorced from the concerns of the working class in order to strip all revolutionary potential from Marxism, well have you ever considered that maybe Kautsky was right all along?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bhaskar Sunkara created Jacobin specifically with the intent of making Marxism more academic and aimed at the intelligentsia.

Menshevism then

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

The name:
Jacobin

The character of the writing:
Narodnik

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

is that true? it's really not a very highbrow publication, and it's not like marxists need help being obscurantist

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Jacobin is like the DSA, all over the place and often quite shit

Even the other trots dunk on them, e.g. WSWS - Jacobin magazine embraces Trump administration’s murderous “herd immunity” policy

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

As long as they're not talking about how communist AES is WSWS has fairly good takes.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Confusingly takes on Epstein seem fine from the briefest of skims

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

CW: SAI don't find it surprising, it's a typical patriarchy enjoyer take to denounce the most egregious sex pests to protect the rest. Only the most unhinged incels will openly call for their right to assault people, but a lot of men are way too comfortable with the kind of culture that enabled Weinstein and Spacey because they - often correctly - have a hunch that they themselves did clearly boundary violating things to their dates in the past and are scared they'll get called out for that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Or ML parties, broadly speaking

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

WSWS published a series of articles defending Roman Polanski and a bunch of stuff against #MeToo. I don't think they have good takes outside AES either. I believe that they think feminism is "identity politics" and a distraction from revolution, which will somehow unify the whole working class without addressing the special problems within its constituent blocs. Common L.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Stalin Head In Hands: Just send them to Siberia to work it out

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How is anyone still a Kautskyite in the year of our Lord 2024?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I know one IRL, he's in local DSA leadership

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Of course the DSA of all orgs would harbor modern Kautskyites.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Actually, Kautsky wasn't that bad fedposting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

orthodox marxists. Kautsky before 1910 was not bad and he published a lot of Engels writings

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

it's literally called Jacobin, they're liberals don't overthink this

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

I prefer Teen Vogue.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

They come out on the side of the US state dept too often.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

They have good takes and bad takes, when it comes to socialist advocacy I don't think Jacobin is really something worth getting upset over

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Jacobin, don't you mean Yakubian?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

they have everyone from liberals to soc-dems to actual communists

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

More like jack off in a bin

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

More like Jack-deez-nutz-abin

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ye Jacobin by name, give an ear, give an ear,
Ye Jacobin by name, give an ear,
Ye Jacobin by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear, you shall hear Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

To liberals you do bow, lend an ear lend an ear
To liberals you do bow, lend an ear

To liberals you bow, with avaricious caw
Your unbecoming trows bring your traitors heart to shew

Your base revision open and clear, yes it's clear. Your base revision open and clear

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The poor you do betray, lend an ear, lend an ear The poor you do betray lend an ear.

The poor you do betray, with everything you say
Your articles to bray your contempt throughout the day.

Your editors are craven with fear, yes with fear Your editors are craven with fear.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Nice song, I think this is Scots...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Jacobin is by and large good. As another commenter pointed out, they give space to all kinds of lefties. That leads to some pretty lib takes now and then, especially in the online edition. If tendencial purity or hard-line anti-electoralism is your chief desire then sure, not for you. But I think generally it's good for promoting left unity, discussing historical and current events, propagating trade union news &c. It's probably the closest we've got to a mass left publication in the US.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It’s a magazine for ppl who don’t read, but think they’re smart.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's pretty broad, has different kinds of leftist. Haven't read it much either (I'm lazy)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

The glossy cover and infographics are cool, but reading the articles makes you go "huh?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Ime they're often profoundly ignorant on anything outside the US, but I hear there's now a Lat Am franchise that is much better

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

BTW anyone can send articles there so while i like to dunk on their shitty takes i think it would be more constructive if ppl just started sending in articles debunking the shitty takes (theres a good chance they wont publish them tho but then again there are other places you can send them).

What i want to say is, ive been in this space for about seven years and id love it if the relentless critiques people can muster up here would leak from the commentariat to the surface.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

CIA. Look at what they say about Uyghur genocide. Same as democracy now which is the same as MSNBC which is the same as fox news which is the same as OAN.

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