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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Very sleek stuff, but reading the analysis gives bad vibes - what is their deal? Trot stuff? Can someone give me a good workup (I'm lazy)?

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago

They let all kinds of leftists write stuff, but the overall vibe is IMO more academic-brained bad rather than Trotskyist, trot vibes are a little bit funnier.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago

They let some dipshit write an article titled "Why socialists shouldn't abandon liberalism" or something lmao

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Yeah! The vibe is so weird, I'll be looking at an elegant graph demonstrating income inequality and the next page is an article like that

[-] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

It's academia brained "acceptable" socialist rhetoric. They are allowed to point out iniquities but when it comes to discussing What Is To Be Done lenin-shining they limit themselves to liberal electoral politics and cannot offer anything revolutionary because when it comes down to it they are almost entirely wealthy intelligentsia afraid of risking their cushy ivory tower positions.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

wealthy intelligentsia

What's funny about this is that academics are cushy but they're not even close to the wealth and power of the bourgeoisie. Yet another case of a group of people captured by liberalism because they earn a bit more than everyone else.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Let alone Jacobin for a second:

You think getting one article placed in a magazine makes you wealthy intelligentsia? Lol how much do you think writers make?

Unless they are already independently famous as an author, or it's a mega publication, the author of most magazine articles you've read probably made somewhere between 2 and low-4 figures for weeks worth of work

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Okay that's the bingo

[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

That's a good point, like they allowed some nerd-brained dudes read the cliffnotes of Marxism and then locked them in a room with a high grade printer and the 1968 Encyclopedia Britanniaca

[-] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

Bhaskar Sunkara created Jacobin specifically with the intent of making Marxism more academic and aimed at the intelligentsia.

If you think that sounds like an attempt to sequester Marxism away from the proletariat by concealing it with obscurantist language and focusing on topics that are divorced from the concerns of the working class in order to strip all revolutionary potential from Marxism, well have you ever considered that maybe Kautsky was right all along?

[-] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

Bhaskar Sunkara created Jacobin specifically with the intent of making Marxism more academic and aimed at the intelligentsia.

Menshevism then

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

The name:
Jacobin

The character of the writing:
Narodnik

[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

is that true? it's really not a very highbrow publication, and it's not like marxists need help being obscurantist

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

How is anyone still a Kautskyite in the year of our Lord 2024?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I know one IRL, he's in local DSA leadership

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Of course the DSA of all orgs would harbor modern Kautskyites.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Actually, Kautsky wasn't that bad fedposting

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

orthodox marxists. Kautsky before 1910 was not bad and he published a lot of Engels writings

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

it's literally called Jacobin, they're liberals don't overthink this

[-] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

I prefer Teen Vogue.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

They come out on the side of the US state dept too often.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

They have good takes and bad takes, when it comes to socialist advocacy I don't think Jacobin is really something worth getting upset over

[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Jacobin, don't you mean Yakubian?

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

they have everyone from liberals to soc-dems to actual communists

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

More like jack off in a bin

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

More like Jack-deez-nutz-abin

[-] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ye Jacobin by name, give an ear, give an ear,
Ye Jacobin by name, give an ear,
Ye Jacobin by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear, you shall hear Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To liberals you do bow, lend an ear lend an ear
To liberals you do bow, lend an ear

To liberals you bow, with avaricious caw
Your unbecoming trows bring your traitors heart to shew

Your base revision open and clear, yes it's clear. Your base revision open and clear

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The poor you do betray, lend an ear, lend an ear The poor you do betray lend an ear.

The poor you do betray, with everything you say
Your articles to bray your contempt throughout the day.

Your editors are craven with fear, yes with fear Your editors are craven with fear.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Nice song, I think this is Scots...

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Jacobin is by and large good. As another commenter pointed out, they give space to all kinds of lefties. That leads to some pretty lib takes now and then, especially in the online edition. If tendencial purity or hard-line anti-electoralism is your chief desire then sure, not for you. But I think generally it's good for promoting left unity, discussing historical and current events, propagating trade union news &c. It's probably the closest we've got to a mass left publication in the US.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I think it's pretty broad, has different kinds of leftist. Haven't read it much either (I'm lazy)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The glossy cover and infographics are cool, but reading the articles makes you go "huh?"

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Ime they're often profoundly ignorant on anything outside the US, but I hear there's now a Lat Am franchise that is much better

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

It’s a magazine for ppl who don’t read, but think they’re smart.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

BTW anyone can send articles there so while i like to dunk on their shitty takes i think it would be more constructive if ppl just started sending in articles debunking the shitty takes (theres a good chance they wont publish them tho but then again there are other places you can send them).

What i want to say is, ive been in this space for about seven years and id love it if the relentless critiques people can muster up here would leak from the commentariat to the surface.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

CIA. Look at what they say about Uyghur genocide. Same as democracy now which is the same as MSNBC which is the same as fox news which is the same as OAN.

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