Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid — welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

Job postings and interviews with senior security officials at Anthropic show that the frontier AI lab is building out an extensive monitoring system to keep tabs on activists who oppose the rapid development of artificial intelligence.

In addition to monitoring activists in the vicinity of Anthropic executives and keeping tabs on protests near physical Anthropic assets, the firm is also implementing a “pre-crime” approach, attempting to predict incidents before they happen. In some cases, that also means reporting suspects to police before a crime occurs. Anthropic did not respond to the Prospect’s request for comment.

Apparently they can also sick the police on you on a trust-me-bro basis:

Last month, The San Francisco Standard reported that Anthropic had reported a man to San Francisco police for telling Claude that he had bought an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and had CEO Dario Amodei “in his sights.” When the Standard contacted the man in question, he told the newspaper he was “just fucking around.”

But while Anthropic was fast to call the cops on a frustrated Claude user, the Standard also reported a key detail: Anthropic refused to show police the actual messages, citing Anthropic’s internal policy. In short, Anthropic reported a user for in-platform speech, and then refused to provide police with evidence of actual wrongdoing.

image shamelessly stolen from https://bsky.app/profile/timhenke.bsky.social/post/3mv5puo47ns2z

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    [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Terry Tao talks about how he used to try to cooperate with the AI industry to achieve a positive outcome, but now he finally sees their true colors. Link

    During this event, OpenAI requested an interview concerning my vision of the future of AI and mathematics. I accepted, and spoke with them for perhaps an hour. I had done similar interviews in various venues, and I assumed that, as with these other cases, they would eventually post the entire interview online, which talked about both the possibilities and risks of AI much as I have done in these other interviews. As it turned out, they only used a few snippets of that interview for that infamous advertisement instead. In retrospect, I should have pushed back harder on their decision; but I decided at the time that even a selective release of my commentary would help raise awareness of the potential for AI, and in particular on the possibility of the “best of both worlds”.

    Since then, the situation has deterioriated markedly. Many of the people in the industry that shared my views have left or become sidelined, with most major tech companies now increasingly focused on the race to develop extremely powerful, autonomous AI technologies regardless of their actual value to society. The current drama surrounding the Navier-Stokes global regularity problem is the most dramatic and visible instance of this, but there have been multiple other such examples, and much of my commentary in the last few months has been aimed that the increasingly severe divergence between the current objectives of the AI industry, and of mathematics in general.

    Much respect to artists for seeing all this coming from the very beginning, and holding the line.

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    [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    happy kirkiversary to all who celebrate

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    [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    Looks like there might be a bit of an openai vs anthropic dick waving competition over mathematical proofs. I haven’t had time to digest all of this yet because it is a bit hard for me to read, but there are a few interesting nuggets in there such as making it clear that the ai firms treat this as a marketing exercise (no surprises there). They’re also apparently trying to obscure the amount of human assistance involved (again, no surprises).

    Levent had been told by Sebastien “very little human input” had been used. This turned out not to be true. Over the course of the call, as members of their team sent Sebastien corrections and details over their internal chat, it emerged that an entire team had been working on the problem, that this was one of a number of things that was tried, that work had started on the unforced problem, that the team first set the model on easier problems, including Euler, that even the prompt that had been shown to me had been written by prompting Codex, and that an insane amount of compute had been used.

    The main statement is here: https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

    Associated stuff linked from here: https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/117233413705701198

    Do note that the author made heavy use of llm assistance for their work, and does consider it to be the future of developing mathematical proofs… this isn’t human vs ai.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    there are tons of issues here. almost impossible to convey how bad things are. in no particular order:

    1. this research breakthrough was a consequence of dumping tons of money into the ai companies. if the future of the field means being entangled with openai et al. and extreme expenses that is going to upend mathematics in a much bigger way than ability to prove new things will. this hasn't been a focal point of discussion yet but it looks to be at the center of mathematics going forward imo.

    2. possibly for legal reasons, the statement stops short of accusing openai of stealing their in progress work. as in literally snaking their documents off the cloud and using them to try to undercut researchers. but it's very clear that that is what the author believes happened

    3. openai straight up threatened the mathematician in question. in a colloquial sense they're engaging in extortion. apparently this is so routine for them that they didn't even stop to consider that they can't threaten an academic's career (or they assumed the mathematician would understand there will be no academic careers in the future)

    4. openai is straight up lying about their research methods. there are various ways that their announcements have had the potential to be misleading (for example when you see "we spent $2000 to compute these proofs" ask how much they spent on attempts that didn't work). but what they're saying may generally just not be true even in a literal sense

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 3 weeks ago

    OpenAI:

    While unlikely, we cannot rule out that de-identified data derived from their usage of our products helped improve our models.

    https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:i4bfh2tyxihe2ksplmtcoopk/post/3muznyls6vk2v

    lmao what the fuck do you mean it's unlikely but you can't rule it out. do you not know what you're training your models on? are you guys unaware of what's going on in your own operation? does openai research not have any knowledge of what data they train their models on?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Glad to see that OpenAI has not changed in their scummy ways. Despite all that has changed in the meantime, they have kept their time-honored tradition of passing off other people's work as their own.

    One of OpenAI's math announcements a month ago claimed that their results cost only $2000 worth of tokens, which frustrated me because they were likely sweeping away many inconvenient details and almost certainly misrepresenting their true costs. But people took this as a gotcha. This is the same bullshit as the water usage arguments. We are literally seeing city council members signing motherfucking NDAs about this, and you think that water usage numbers provided by the tech companies themselves are going to sway me?

    I am also questioning OpenAI's strategy of strip-mining math for PR, since it seems like advances in math do not actually register that well in the public. From what I remember, the Hugging Face incident got a lot more press than any of the math results.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I am also questioning OpenAI’s strategy of strip-mining math for PR, since it seems like advances in math do not actually register that well in the public.

    They want to sell the claim that they've "achieved AGI". For the general public they can sell on the vibe of "the computer talks back to you", but for more sophisticated audiences, they need something firmer. Everyone with even a fraction of the ability to think for themselves has stopped trusting benchmarks, so OpenAI and Anthropic has been looking for things associated with intelligence they can claim success on. Math proofs have the property of being somewhat automatically checkable, having lots of ideas scattered throughout the literature to let their LLMs sift through, and being associated with intelligence.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    And the bonus advantage of an academic community of which a sizable fraction is willing to burn leaded gasoline to truck the child laborers into the sweatshop to paint asbestos with radium, if it'll get them arXiv posts.

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    [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Listening to Gil Durán’s The Nerd Reich (audiobook, not podcast), and learning heaps about people I’ve known were part of the Rationalist orbit for years, but hadn’t dug too much into, like Balaji Srinivasan. He apparently used the red/blue/grey tribe setup in The Network State, which was published long after Scott’s SSC post using the same language.

    I remember that Balaji went nutty when the NYT published about Scott Alexander. Durán attributes that to Cade Metz reporting on Balaji telling Yarvin that they might need to intimidate/harass journalists to keep them from reporting on their fascist bullshit, but all the parallels make me wonder how long they knew/read each other. Did Scott influence Balaji first, or the other way around?

    Certainly I am amused that none of the Rationalists have been named yet, 3 hours in. I wonder if it rankles, knowing how bad Eliezer has wanted to make something that people would actually pay for, having a whole book written about Thiel and Yarvin and Srinivasan where he doesn’t rate at all because he’s just some podunk little cult leader who has to beg for grants and find girlfriends to live with and do his laundry while he eats the crumbs off of their tables. Or if it stung Scott when Srinivasan’s book was panned as idiotic, knowing that at least some of those ideas were his.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    i first became aware of srinivasan because he was running an extremely funny bitcoin scam. it was a $400 computer, the crypto mining platform of the future, a veritable font of wealth, and when people got it it was a raspberry pi with some shielding incorrectly attached, so that if you touched it wrong you shorted it and bricked the device. it mined a few cents a year and sent something like half of that to a16z

    i also first became aware that noah smith was going to lose his mind when he cited srinivasan approvingly on twitter, i drew his attention to this, and he replied 'no i just asked balaji about this and he said he's cool, that it wasn't a scam and also that he was actually put in charge of it to make it not a scam'

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    without going into the merits of the specific case, I find it highly amusing that OpenAI fucked up their big Navier-Stokes announcement which is now more about how they stole research from honest mathematicians rather than how awesome their AI is

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    [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Tesla’s new self-driving taxi seems to be entirely made of red flags and those horror movie moments where you can’t understand why anyone would go in there, because they’re clearly going to die.

    https://archive.is/2026.09.05-135619/https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cybercab-no-steering-wheel-emergency-plan-push-musk-austin-rcna595741

    Highlights:

    • No door handles. Good luck getting out instead of burning to death and/or drowning!
    • Doors might not unlock if there are power issues, eg. Bad things happened in a crash.
    • No manual controls! First responders will have to push it out of the way.
    • Unless there’s a power issue, because the parking brake will engage if there’s no power, so it’ll need to be barged by another vehicle, I guess?
    • Or you push it faster than 5mph, because the brake will engage for safety reasons.
    • Or if it is in the wrong gear or mode, because back-driving the motor can cause electrical safety issues or overheating, which will presumably increase the risk of people trapped inside being burned to death.
    • The vehicle is silent and may move without warning. You can’t tell if it is unpowered. First responders are instructed to “cage” the vehicle before trying to interact with it. Otherwise I guess it might just main or kill them by surprise.
    • Not all high voltage components are labelled. Exposed bits in a crash might just kill you if you don’t have suitable ppe, and you can’t tell which bits those are, lol.

    The guide advises first responders to contact the company via the car’s communications system or phone for most emergencies, and says that the Tesla can assist emergency personnel by moving the car remotely, helping provide access to on-board controls or putting the car in neutral so that it can be pushed.

    If Tesla cannot be reached by phone, the manual advises first responders to use an email address to learn more about how to move the Tesla, though it warns, “This email is not monitored for emergency requests.”

    🤡

    Welcome to the future, where first responders might just opt to watch you die because they’re not certified to rescue you from your autonomous death trap, because there’s no point in you all dying.

    H/t to violet blue. https://mastodon.social/@violetblue/117237691936474802

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    So the news is now filled with stories about how AI will take over and the Ai companies might lose control of it gets smarter and at least one employee quit because it might kill us all. You know what I seem to be missing?

    Actual employees doing sabotage. That is a bit odd right? They think Altman doesnt care about safety, but nobody has tried to wipe the backups. And we know they dont think that much about security.

    And it isnt like sysadmins messed with systems in the past over lesser disputes.

    Not even a "im turning whistleblower, here are all the internal chatlogs and documents of the employees and management".

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    [–] [S] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Greg Egan reports:

    Open Letter about the Mathathon

    This open letter calling for the cancellation of the Caltech “Mathathon”, has received 471* signatures so far. [Only members of the Caltech community or mathematicians at PhD student level or beyond are eligible to sign.]

    * Now 771 signatures.

    “On October 30th, 2026, Caltech will begin hosting the Caltech Mathathon, a math hackathon in which participants are encouraged to solve open research problems by prompting LLMs. Two prominent AI companies, Anthropic and OpenAI, will supply participants with 2 million dollars in AI credits. This event is likely to have destructive impacts for the mathematical community.”

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf6dBeDwjRP4UkchGSpLwLQjiG8qLX5_wW_3-xoC4dImTPp6g/viewform

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    [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/09/ai-models-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people/5295368

    At the same time, some of that harm may be balanced on a statistical level by lives saved through AI tech.

    [citation needed]

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (6 children)

    Nice breakdown and takedown of Omarchy and its ilk. https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/

    The chuds on HN of course hated my sharing it, though it hasn't been flagged (yet). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49661901

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    This makes me want to try omarchy

    Those kinds of comments are 4chan style psyops moves. Literally have some screenshots of them discussing this tactic somewhere.

    Edit: Found the images. Sorry for no alt text, but it is a bit too much to type out, put them under a spoiler as to not spam the thread. Note that they are more talking about the whole 'this is helping push people rightward' messaging than this specific thing I quoted from HN.

    4chan images

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    [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    New (to me) lore from https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/god-is-back-on-the-timeline

    This all kicked off last year when religious Substacker Ethan Muse wrote a heavily sourced essay arguing that the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima — a 1917 incident where large crowds of people reported seeing the sun dance and emit radiant colors — was a genuine miracle, unexplainable by any other method other than divine intervention. This inspired rationalist blogger Scott Alexander to write a more skeptical post titled “The Fatima Sun Miracle: Much More Than You Wanted To Know,” which led to responses and counter-responses.

    The discourse continued into 2026 when other bloggers began jumping into the fray and Alexander began investigating similar sun miracles in Buddhism. It seems to have wrapped up with Alexander’s recent pilgrimage to a modern-day holy site where people still claim to see sun miracles to this day.

    lol pilgramage what. is he converting?

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    [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Lobste.rs news: after letting the DHH knob-slobblers and interested-in-the-fascist's-newletters users weave enough rope to hang themselves with, the banhammers have arrived:

    https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=%28All%29&what%5Busers%5D=users

    expect the next step be even more pressure on the mod team to get them replaced with people "more aligned with the mainstream"

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    It was only a matter of time. Enlightened centrist Brodie Robertson is now rubbing shoulders with DHH on his podcast. I guess after making nice with the likes of Andreas Kling, Vaxry and Lunduke it was only a small step to invite DHH as well.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Another oped from StudyHacks Cal Newport:

    Opinion: How Scared Should We Be of A.I. Right Now? | NYT

    The time has come to push back. Once we understand the key ideas of Rationalism, we can begin to filter them out. Be very wary, for example, when A.I. leaders or online commentators begin talking in sweeping generalities about the future of the technology, such as stating with confidence that many jobs will soon be automated or that their language models will soon become sentient beings intent on escaping their creators’ control. (No, OpenAI’s autonomous agents conducting hacks doesn’t mean that A.I. is rising up against its human overlords.)

    The correct reply is to promptly turn the conversation back to the possibilities, harms and viability of the products that actually exist. To extend an analogy I’ve made before, if Ford automobiles were spontaneously catching on fire, we wouldn’t tolerate the chief executive’s changing the subject to discuss our general lack of preparedness for a future with flying cars. We’d demand that the company address the acute problem happening right now.

    (Hey remember when there was a guy that actually blew the whistle on exploding cars, ran for president? "We" tolerated exploding cars and people dying for years, until someone actually stepped up and forced the issue. How's the country been treating that guy?)

    It’s not surprising that so many Americans feel negatively about A.I. at the moment, but these sentiments aren’t inevitable. Our current crop of L.L.M.-powered tools are exciting — and worrisome, and promising, and frustrating, all at the same time. With proper direction, they’ll hopefully make our lives better. But they don’t have to be terrifying. We thought Silicon Valley was trying to warn us of an unavoidable danger, but maybe they were just being weird.

    wonder if such a moderated, watered down position in a large publication ends up sending more eyeballs to Yudkowsky than it does to innoculate the general public, could end up a net negative.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Cal was on Better Offline recently and towards the end of the interview he was talking about a need for some sort of structured language for interacting with LLMs for purposes of code gen that could remove the ambiguity of natural language and my only thought on it was "my guy, you are describing a programming language but with extra baggage."

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    [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2098811563415150910

    uh oh you guys, sama and dario agree that progress needs to be "paced" at the "frontier"

    call it: A) regulatory gambit meant to suppress open source chinese LLMs, or B) progress is slowing anyways and they need a good excuse that will also shine their IPOs

    or C) both

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Despite all the doomer propaganda that has been swirling around for many years, it's still easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Selling your hours on a laptop won't protect you while asset owners capture all the upside

    Ignoring for a moment the laughable proposition of this generation of AI automating away half of all knowledge workers, all the enthusiastic teenage Marxists of the internet couldn't describe the problem with capitalism more succinctly than this aspiring rentier did seemingly by accident.

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The antiai sub on Reddit is lousy with doomers now. Ugh.

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    From the mirror universe news

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2026-09-10/campaign-slow-ai-was-ready-viral-warning

    ZH's interpretation is Coxon is some kind of false flag thing to bait Dems into regulating AI

    Parker Thayer argued that Coxon’s launch looked like a sophisticated public-relations operation. He traced the earliest amplification to people associated with Encode, the AI Policy Network, and the AI Futures Project.

    Brian Chau’s later thread surfaced a direct political-technology link. Newspeak House’s own residency page lists Jacob Coxon among its residents and describes his work as “applying mathematics and data science to inefficient markets.” Newspeak calls itself the London College of Political Technology. Its current calendar advertises Campaign Lab sessions aimed at helping the progressive left “campaign more effectively.” The residency places Coxon inside that political-technology network.

    Some of the underlying funding links are public. The Survival and Flourishing Fund’s 2025 grant table lists $2.035 million for the AI Futures Project, $516,000 for Encode AI, and $1.635 million for the AI Policy Institute. The fund attributes those grants to Jaan Tallinn. Anthropic says Tallinn led its Series A financing in 2021.

    Encode identifies the Survival and Flourishing Fund as one of several foundations supporting its work. It also says it refuses funding from corporations, foreign governments, and executives at frontier AI companies. Its general counsel, Nathan Calvin, is one of the early amplifiers named in Thayer’s thread.

    Some new pins for the conspiracy board I guess. They imagine a "political-technology network" quite the linguistic contortion to not use the word rationalist. No clue what LCPT is but looks like a hacker house type thing?

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    The latest tech bro attack on public education is Alpha School for teenagers. One reporter thinks that if we take the accounts claiming to be students are real then:

    …we have to take semi-seriously the question of whether Alpha School is a cult? A set of indoctrination camps for the airport-book class? What the hell is happening here?

    A focus on judging people by biometrics, cult criticism, and assertion that LLMs can replace teachers. Someone on Bsky replies:

    The cult of Alpha school is strong in Miami-where the Miami tech/finance/crypto bro set is just generally dumber (or less intellectual, less cultured, less educated) and far less ethical than in other parts of the country (not that silicon valley tech bros are awesome, but the worst ones move here)

    Hereticon got started in Miami.

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    [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (33 children)

    wtf is deal of that segyges person. now they're convinced that openai will solve room temperature superconductors in silico real soon, because altman vagueposted about it

    and this all based on lk-99 fraud case, nevermind that there's no high temperature superconductivity theory, or how prohibitively computationally expensive computational chemistry is, and i guess it's not accurate enough anyway, this all with people that do computational chemistry coming in their thread trying to explain this, then posts this

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

    Somehow word association will beat density functional theory to the punch for mapping out theoretical materials, lol. Alright.

    I'll believe that when pigs fly.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

    arguably it's stupider than that

    and this doesn't even go into whether pallet of lean spaghetti is in any way insightful, or does it explain anything, or does any of these things manmade proofs do

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

    You'll forgive me, I'm neither lobotmised nor a mathematician.

    The poster wants to slop into existance a language for stacking logical statements on top of each other and testing/prooving truthiness but the statements are what? Physics rules?

    And once you have this um magic world simulator from first principles (since it would have to be, because the thing about science is we need to do the experiments since we don't know how things work fully) it will somehow stumble onto RTPSC materials?

    K

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    that's just "machine god will figure out relativity from three video frames" in another form

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (16 children)

    Good God. Sometimes I wonder how small the population that understands all these references and knows all this deep lore and history is. How few people really understand the true nature of this bunch of people and how their ideas have ruined so much. When I go to conferences I get to have 4 hour conversations over beer with astrobiologists explaining how ideas from a blog in 2009 started showing up uncited in their literature 8 years later (when late undergrads who read a blog post start writing papers during their PhDs) and have since completely fucked whole subfields. They are flabbergasted at first, but then they see it, and see the damage done. So few people actually see this.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

    In the TESCREAL lore iceberg, "Aella Sankey chart" is above the waterline.

    • Existence of HPMoR
    • Existence of Zizians
    • Aella Sankey chart
    • Aella not showering

    ...

    • Topher Brennan leaks Siskind emails

    ...

    • "AI datacenter water usage is fine actually" Substack

    ...

    • Cremieux's alleged old Reddit handle

    ...

    • Scott Aaronson anti-feminist breakdown
    • Scott Aaronson goes full Zionist

    ...

    • Glowfic

    ...

    • su3su2u1 review of HPMoR

    ...

    • Robot God deduces general relativity in three frames with the power of Bayes

    ...

    • Scott Aaronson makes airport cops sympathetic

    ...

    • TracingWoodgrains attempted hatchet job against David Gerard

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    • Eliezer Yudkowsky is That Guy when recommending scifi books
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