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The spooks grow ever closer, and the abyss grows ever sandier.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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So, I was thinking about how modern LLMs got better at coding in the last 1 year, despite not having much good new training data.

The way it was done is largely via reinforcement learning with verifiable reward (and a little bit with human feedback).

Basically, you use an LLM to make slop, random token choice and everything, monkeys on typewriters style, and then if slop passes a test, you use said slop as the training data. You use the compiler, unit and integration tests, any static analysis tools, etc etc as verification.

For natural language, attempts to do anything like this work miserably, the whole slop centipede, model collapse, all that. But for coding this turned to be unexpectedly effective.

So that raises the question: can an LLM coding assistant be developed like a normal corporate project, with no YOLO exemptions from software legal compliance, without any special treatment like it's a favorite child that grows up to be a techbro? Like normal fucking software?

I think, the answer is probably a yes on the purely technical level but still a hard no commercially.

On the technical level, an LLM could be pre-trained on compatibly licensed open source projects, RLVR'd in a license-compliant way.

The end result isn't going to be good for plagiarism, though, and won't use plagiarism to cover every gap in capabilities. I think it's pretty obvious all the folks who are trying to clone Adobe or whatever would reject such a product.

Meanwhile the one "strength" of LLMs is this intuitive argument that if you have a good enough predictor of what your workers do, then you don't need workers. That is the whole reason the "AI companies" are rolling in investor money and are able to operate at such large loss.

The other thing is that having done copyright infringement, OpenAI/Anthropic/etc etc have to portray it as necessary, and alternative as impossible.

Anyhow basically my thought on this is that I'll continue not using any LLM coding tools in my personal projects until some acceptable tooling appears and proves itself actually useful.

edit: For a concrete example if someone makes a tool that can take the compiled assembly, run it through non-LLM translation to some much abridged Lean and prove that nothing depends on exact timing of threads (no race conditions) or identify race conditions, or complain it could do neither, would I use it? If the carbon footprint is not insanely greater than what I would do instead (which is either a: run stress tests overnight, or b: ship buggy software that users have to restart, which also has a large energy footprint), sure.

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Scientology survivor Jenna Miscavige tells the story of her life to the camera. Unlike similar interviews she's given over the past decade-ish, this isn't a discussion with a journalist or a generalist overview, but a deep dive from somebody who served Sea Org, Disconnected their family, and was Audited daily. Content warning for internal details of the Church of Scientology and Sea Organization; there's a lot of abuse. I figured that our newer friends might not realize the degree to which the CoS threatened the Internet and violates human rights, and her story is a complete slice of everything we dislike about the church.

Never forget Lisa McPherson.

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I would be interested because I think in the future, if that’s where things go, it would be cool that my children or my grandchildren could be in charge of my likeness and my image, and hopefully put me in some good movies. It’ll be interesting to see where things go.

I wonder how this will age?

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‘The kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ARF2KcDgc&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA&index=1&pp=iAQBsAgC - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20261014-linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits - podcast

time: 13 min 43 sec

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As I was using LLMs at work (I never use LLMs for personal projects), a question occurred to me:

What in the fuck are these new data centers supposed to actually do?

The enterprise users are all in on having LLMs write 300% of the code. And yet, both OpenAI and Anthropic are still giving these "$200 gets you $10 000 in API costs" subscriptions to every victim of AI psychosis.

Why do we have RAM, hard disk, SSD, GPU and CPU shortages and no "token shortage"?

I mean, we all know the answer, these are the offerings for the robot god, but like how in the fuck are they still obtaining loans for this shit?

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Do you believe in magic in an old creepy techbro's heart?

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“There's only really roughly 2,000 AI researchers in America, and the vast majority of them believe in this sort of worldview around effective altruism,” Sankar noted. The Palantir CTO seems to believe, like many effective altruism critics, that all the doomsday scenarios and far-fetched risks being posited by the EA AI crowd are less technical critiques and more like theological ones.

“I think there's a profound truth to Pascal's saying that every human has a god-shaped hole in their heart,” Sankar said, “and it's important to understand that many of these folks in Silicon Valley who are building this technology have filled that hole with the machine God of AGI.”

At least the vibes are consistent I guess.... but still death cults are always lame because besides the whole obsession with death, they are also all the same.

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I think that's a really good idea and we should encourage them. I recommend Kent cigarettes with the Micronite filter for a smooth aroma.

Archived link

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So the boosters are making a big deal about the dump of "proofs" OpenAI has made recently, so I thought I would collect some relevant links in one place...

Stuff on autoformalization:

And some other related links:

Let me know in the comments if you have any links I should to these lists!

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The models introduced stereotypes when they generated images, and they resorted to stereotypes when they reasoned about the images. As a final test, we asked the models to render people as if they had, or did not have, a criminal record. GPT and Gemini complied more than 97% of the time. Sure enough, the resulting “criminal” and “noncriminal” images were systematically altered in a way that the image classifier could detect.

AI is worse than useless junk...

Also cue Sam Altman claiming this is proof AI can read minds just by seeing a picture of someone.

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What a joke

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‘in the meantime, uh, there will be great companies created with serious machine learning’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLoCXTSRJc&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20261006-but-thats-a-sacrifice-sam-altman-is-willing-to-make - podcast

time: 4 min 47 sec

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AI Jokers to the left of me, AI Clowns to the right, stuck in the middle of a bullshit AI zoo.

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