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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by Damarcusart@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

Sorry for the clickbait title. Have a blurry picture of a cat as an apology.

But as someone who does NSFW art for a living, talking to a client who reads and writes at the level of a 12 year old (and shows the same level of ignorance about the world outside their country) makes me really uncomfortable. Technically they're a legal adult, but I feel like I'm talking to a child.

I like to be friendly and pleasant with clients, but when the conversation feels like I'm explaining very basic concepts like how weather or seasons work in other countries, or how an 8 hour drive isn't shorter because we use kilometers instead of miles, it just feels wrong when paired with the adult artwork I'm also drawing for them.

Like, legally it's fine, but it does make me wonder if it is ok to draw NSFW artwork for someone who doesn't really feel like an adult intellectually.

Also #notallamericans, but I'm sure Americans on here know full well what I'm talking about, and have to deal with it a lot more frequently than I do.

EDIT: This is less supposed to be "Americans dumb" and more like "Some Americans seem to have the knowledge base of a child and that makes it hard to work with them in an adult context." I'm not just trying to start an America bashing thread here, I'm more venting about a very specific problem where I have to create adult art for adults who have the writing style and comprehension levels of children.

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Americans do not value knowledge. The purpose of schools is to pass tests. Learning is something you do if you have to pass a test. Learning for learning's own sake is weird and gay.

Universities are shops where you buy access to jobs. Any degree a fifth-grader cannot directly map to a job is useles as well as weird and gay.

If you are a real masculine manly man you don't need to go to college and get a useless degree. You just need to wear a hard hat and stay away from anything that's weird or gay. If you want to be a superman of businesses entrepreneurship and innovation you should go to college only to drop out as a flex. All the cool billionaires whose careers you are totally able to emulated without having obscene generational wealth dropped out because they were too cool for school. Staying in school to get a degree is weird and gay.

From infancy you have been brought up to be a consumer. When Jesus came riding down from heaven on a bald eagle and handed the founding fathers the stone tablets with the declaration of independence and the constitution, the first and most important right afforded to you as an American was the right to consume without friction. You should have access to exactly as many easily digestible sugary treats as you want. Demanding effort of you is a violation of your constitutional rights. Holding you accountable for saying nonsense is cruel and unusual punishment. Putting in the work is weird and gay.

In the marketplace of ideas the client is always right. You might think the earth is round, I might think the earth is flat. I have the right to have my opinion and my opinion can be just as good as yours and we are many people who are sick and tired of being looked down on by the elites just for thinking differently and if you tell me I'm wrong then you are being the asshole. Actually having expertise on anything outside of pop culture trivia is weird and gay.

The average American can't read on a sixth grade level. They think Big Ben is the capital of Europe. They get genuinely confused by learning that American laws do not apply in China. But at least they are not weird and gay.

[-] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

I had an assignment in my geography class where they were assigning people continents and told them to find the flags of those continents and what language they spoke. When I explained there were many flags in Asia, they told to just pick the dominant one. Y'know, the one. It was a group project, and I took over and made sure we did at least a bunch of Asian countries. I got India, China, Japan, South Korea (chud me didn't think we even could research DPRK) Vietnam, Russia, and I think some Middle Eastern countries. But yeah, it was a bad assignment. In the teacher's defense, she was an elementary school keyboarding teacher forced to teach high school geography. It was an easy class as she had no idea what she was teaching.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

"Find some flags and languages of X continent" is high school level in America? And somehow they mangle it to become "find the flag and the language of X continent"? And they let elementary school teachers teach high school?

[-] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago

It was a private school that did kindergarten through high school, but yeah, it was bizarre.

[-] Kefla@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

As far as I know if you've got a bachelors degree in pretty much anything you can be a teacher. The teaching license you get to become a first grade teacher is the same as the one you get to become a high school teacher.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

The rules change state to state because there is not, and never has been, a federal department for regulating education. The only thing the department of education has ever really done year to year is hand out grants. It gates access to federal money, but they do not broadly manage what qualifies as a teacher, that is left up to the states, same with curriculum.

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago

The best part about it is that Texas is the largest consumer of text books, and it's hard to write textbooks for every state, so the companies just pander to Texas's standards of education and other states usually just fall in line and purchase the same ones

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Yup that is very true! Its not something widely understood. When liberals were getting mad about the Trump administration "gutting" the Department of Education, all I could do is laugh. Once you understand that the Texas standard exists because the DoE has always been a toothless organization, then you realize it doesn't matter if the DoE is gutted.

Most red states are subsidized on blue state tax dollars, which means if the DoE isn't handing out grants at all, red states will suffer more. Now in practice that likely hasn't happened yet, but that's a very likely outcome.

[-] Florn@hexbear.net 75 points 1 day ago

Now imagine this is your dating pool

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago

I never even thought of that angle, sounds genuinely awful.

[-] Florn@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

I once got the ick from a girl who didn't know who Maximilian Robespierre was

[-] Krinkil2705@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 day ago

My bar is low enough for this to pass. But if they don't know what French Revolution is and which century it happened…

[-] Florn@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

Part of the issue is that I use these to mean the same thing. In an extremely barebones, elementary school understanding of the French Revolution, Robespierre is someone who always comes up, even if in a sensationalized way.

Lmao. Maybe I'm from a particularly bad schooling but we sure af didn't cover this in history - and when i showed a knack for STEM, i was able to waive the requirement for history classes. Surely nothing to read into there...

[-] Krinkil2705@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 day ago

They don't explain the details of the Revolution in our "education system" because it affected the Ottoman Empire badly, and anything harms that fetishized view of the Empire is automatically omitted.

[-] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Getting ick from someone not knowing any given single person, be it Jesus mfing Christ, is a bit shallow. If a person was sufficiently educated about the French revolution they still could not know single names. Any revolution (or war or whatever) did not happen due to some single great man (/person) but due to the systemic conditions shaping their decisions.

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[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

or how an 8 hour drive isn't shorter because we use kilometers instead of miles

No it's actually longer because there are more kilometres than miles so you have to travel further in kms than you would in miles, so it takes more time

[-] diamath@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago
[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

Let me break it down for you. One mile is like, 1.6 kilometres. 1.6 is bigger than 1, so it's more than one. Travelling more of something takes longer, so if you travel in kms it takes longer than in miles. It's the same how if you slice a pizza into eight slices it takes longer to eat than cutting into six slices, because eight slices is more than six slices.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

When I really don't want to go somewhere, I just tell them that my car can only travel in inches and they understand. It takes days to get anywhere when you're traveling 8 hours in inches.

[-] diamath@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

picard Where do I hand in my degree?

Thanks for taking the time, genuinely.

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

I didn't go to college this is all just common sense

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

What's heavier: a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?

That's right: a pound of lead. Because lead's heavier than feathers. limmy-what

[-] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Feathers because you also carry the guilt of what was done to those birds

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[-] Renin@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago

I do think it's a shining embodiment of capitalism, a lot of Americans I've met are exceptionally gregarious and at the same time being extremely resistant to budging their mind. I don't see much of a creative drive usually, it's mostly about consuming stuff and discussing how you feel about things. There isn't much of a material incentive to learn, so people don't...

Conversation also serves as a form of commodity, networking, you speak because you want something not because of the speech itself. You don't want to offend people, because it ruins your potential business opportunities - so it's best to keep the conversation shallow and simplistic. Over time this has become a subconscious feature of the culture itself where being anti-intellectual is the norm.

It conveniently also makes it much easier to control people, because the assumption is that if you're an important looking person with a big crowd, in front of a podium, well you must know what you're talking about.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago

It wouldn't be so bad if these people were in the least bit interested in bettering themselves in any way

But no, so many, so deeply incurious as to declare themselves above all reproach when all they know is nothing

Like, how the fuck do you live to be my age and have no desire to meet new people, go to new places and interact with new ideas?

Absolutely busted society

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago

Incurious is the best way to describe it. They'll happily ask me questions, but they've never bothered to just google it or anything themselves. Like they can't imagine trying to learn anything themselves, that they're just comfortable in their ignorance.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's a little misanthropic of me but I do genuinely believe most people aren't cut out for critical thinking and it really highlights the need for a vanguard party

Legit need for (re)education. I feel that often the framework isn't there for critical thinking because it requires consideration of things outside of the self. And the rugged individualism baked into the culture triggers an instinct to withdraw in shame (or go on the defensive) from new concepts rather than accepting one's understanding might not be perfect, and acknowledging the need for growth.

Further still is the competitive mentality and need for domination; ie there is no need to engage with the global proletariat as they're our competitors for finite resources and we're obviously superior.

Then there's trauma baked into "not being good at school" because of pedagogy being punitive rather than liberating; eg better to be insular, believe oneself "dumb" and reject learning wholesale to avoid uncomfortable growth rather than acknowledging that everyone learns differently and seeing it as a collective activity where our strengths lift others.

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[-] Piltdowntown@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

Nothing misanthropic about it. There's a reason that every AES agreed with you.

[-] daniyeg@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

i love to hate on americans but americans are not particularly dumb or ignorant, they are more educated than most countries, it's just that they are just "too rich" (have a strong currency) compared to their actual material condition and education. a homeschooled construction worker in bumfuck Louisiana can easily pay for an internet subscription and 20 bucks for a commission but a comparable person somewhere in asia or even europe probably doesn't even have a smartphone and most certainly doesn't speak english.

maybe i am biased because in my country people show a similar amount of ignorance and it's just normal to me, but i think demographics is still a far better explanation than psychological analysis.

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, I saw a graph the other day which concluded America is technically a great place to be 'dumb', as even their 2 lowest literacy rate brackets have a higher or similar income (adjusted for cost of living) to the average income of the highest literacy brackets in the other countries.

Not that literacy is the definition of smart - I know plenty of brilliant tradesmen and artists alike - but reading comprehension is an important part of politics and political messaging, and possibly why even with our own fascists in the UK, I don't think we'd ever have a truly Trump like figure. That guy gets away with speaking like an actual 7 year old.

they are more educated than most countries

The quality of education is dogshit though. Its like someone who eats nothing but fistfuls of candy saying they eat better.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

I didn't mean for this to just become an America bashing thing, I edited the post, it's more a problem I've only ever noticed with American clients, not clients from anywhere else, and not all Americans, many are fine. I would certainly agree that ignorance favours no one nationality, I think your idea about money and exchange rates could be it. I know fellow Australians who can't afford to commission an artist even with pretty high salaries due to high cost of living, so they just don't have the disposable income for it that an American with a comparable salary might.

[-] space_comrade@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

or how an 8 hour drive isn't shorter because we use kilometers instead of miles

That can't be real lmao what the fuck

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

It might have just been bad wording on their part, but it does remain to this day the dumbest thing I think I've ever heard from someone. They thought that a long drive across the desert would be "shorter" for them because they use miles and not kilometers. They might have meant that it would feel shorter since they're used to long drives, but they also didn't seem to understand that they couldn't just drive across the desert (which is a trip that takes days and requires a huge amount of prep and emergency supplies, there's nothing out there), even if they were used to long drives, so they might have just not understood the distances involved in driving across the country in Australia and thought the country was just much smaller than it is, but they were oddly hung up on the kilometres vs miles part of it.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

can you uhhh... draw me as furry fucking a big mac?

[-] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

what kind of porn are people commissioning that the weather and metric system are important considerations?

actually on second thought I don't want to know

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago

It's not relevant to the actual work, it's just small talk. A lot of clients seem downright desperate for someone to talk to, which is sad in its own way.

[-] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago

Americans are just very conversational. It’s one of the few distinct traits they have that I like.

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I once knew a grown-ass woman who earnestly believed that, because seasons worked differently in the southern hemisphere, they were also on a different calendar, as though the equator were some kind of international month line.

She was also extremely into WWE and got married fresh out of high school, so take from that what you will.

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

At least she knew there are different seasons

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

Now imagine interacting with them on a daily basis

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