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[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (3 children)

if your name includes "von der": either EU bueraucrat ghoul, german aristocrat ghoul or afrikaaner ghoul. opinion discarded

[–] [email protected] 97 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

The von der Leyen family (German pronunciation: [fɔn deːɐ̯ ˈlaɪən] is a German noble family which made its fortune as silk merchants and silk weaving industrialists.

The family was ennobled in 1786 and one branch raised to Baronial rank by Napoleon in 1813 and by the King of Prussia in 1816.

Heiko von der Leyen, husband of politician Ursula von der Leyen (former German Federal Minister for Defence and current President of the European Commission), belongs to an ennobled (but not the baronial Bloemersheim) branch of the family.

So 2/3.


Edit:

The [von der Leyen] family built many factory and residential buildings in Krefeld some of which survived World War II bombardments.

I wonder what those factories were used for during World War II thonk


[Ursula von der Leyen's grandfather] belonged to a family of wealthy cotton merchants; his father was the cotton merchant Carl Albrecht (1875–1952) and his mother was the American-born Mary Ladson Robertson (1883–1960), who belonged to a prominent planter family from South Carolina. His father was a grandson of Baron Ludwig Knoop, one of the leading industrialists of the Russian Empire in his lifetime.

lmao it gets worse.


James Henry Ladson (1795–1868) was an American planter and businessman from Charleston, South Carolina. He was the owner of James H. Ladson & Co., a major Charleston firm that was active in the rice and cotton business, and owned over 200 slaves.

Among Ladson's descendants is Ursula von der Leyen, who briefly lived under the alias Rose Ladson.

"I need a pseudonym, what should I go with? I know, the family name of my slaver ancestors!"


Ursula von der Leyen, nominee for EU top job, lived in London under alias to escape Baader-Meinhof gang

The Red Army Faction, also known as the Baader–Meinhof Group or Baader–Meinhof Gang, was a West German far-left militant group founded in 1970. The RAF described itself as a communist, anti-imperialist, and urban guerrilla group which was engaged in armed resistance against what it considered a fascist state.

Hmm, why did she move to London and take a pseudonym to escape a far-left militant group? You'd only do something like that if you or your family were being specifically targeted, right?


In 1828, the workers at the von der Leyen factories rebelled against their employers and the 11th Hussar Regiment put down the rebellion. Karl Marx described it as the "first workers' uprising in German history."

Interesting trivia.


In 1976, Albrecht [Ursula's father, Premier of Lower Saxony] made Hans Puvogel his minister of justice. During his tenure, Puvogel was particularly active in combatting notions of more liberal penal and rehabilitation systems. He had already set out justification for his stance in a 1935-1936 doctoral thesis. There, he wrote of the “inheritance of criminal tendencies”, of “constitutionally predisposed criminals” and “inferior people”, who would have to be “eliminated from the community”. “Only a person of value to the race” would have “a right to exist within the national community”.

And it gets even worse, though indirectly.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago

A far left militant group specifically dedicated to hunting down and kill Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago

I just wanted to say I appreciate the effort what went into this post.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

Thanks for this. Would have never been able to do this sleuthing myself.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Excellent work gumshoe

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

von der scheiße

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

hahahhaha holy fuck

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Great work!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wonder what those factories were used for during World War II

"What was (person) up to/talking about during WW2" is always the wildest rabbit hole.

For example the creator of Tin tin, or Henry Ford receiving a....German award in 1938.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it means you are an aristocrat in either germany or Holland

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Holland was the first bourgeois state, nobility wasn't much of an influence on its institutions. In dutch van (der) usually refers to small villages their family presumably came from at some point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Von Der is not Afrikaans, but Van Der is.

Also, Apartheid ended 30 years ago and was the politicians' doing, not the citizens'. South Africa wasn't a democracy, remember?

I think it's fair to say that at least 90% of white South Africans agree that Apartheid was a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

I think it's fair to say that at least 90% of white South Africans agree that Apartheid was a bad thing.

In much the same way 90% of Germans suddenly had very negative opinions about Nazism in 1945.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's fair to say that at least 90% of white South Africans agree that Apartheid was a bad thing.

I wish. In my personal experience it's simply not true beyond a surface level "apartheid bad". Any deeper conversation or questioning reveals the truth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

do you know any good history books about apartheid SA? I embarrassingly don't know much about it myself

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I learnt most of it at school, but Max Coleman's analysis of apartheid as a crime against humanity should be a good book explaining just how horrific it was. I think it's available for free here. The same website has lots of good articles too, including a basic summary of what apartheid was .

https://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/crime-against-humanity-analysing-repression-apartheid-state-edited-max-coleman

This summary, and the content in the "articles" section at the bottom of the page, is also pretty good.

https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/history-apartheid-south-africa

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

rat-salute

going to check this out, thanks. I think it's literally not even covered in US schools, I don't remember ever learning about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow they don't cover it at all? Here in South Africa, we even learn about MLK Jr and Malcolm X, the Vietnam war and cold war in general in history. And of course we learn about our own country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've been out of school for a long time so I could be remembering wrong, but I don't remember ever learning about it. everything I do know is from what I've read/watched/heard and it's all very cursory. I mean, we barely even learn about slavery in our own country, so I guess it makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah I guess so. Part of the US propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Beneficiaries of Apartheid saying it was bad now that it is over means very little. Ghouls like the Musks still run roughshod over the world with the spoils they took and still exploit minorities wherever it benefits them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

All those unfortunate H1B visa people that have to put up with his shit. Fuckin bleak.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

We don't like to be associated with the muskrat

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

South Africa wasn't a democracy, remember?

I tried googling for this but I'm finding that while the elected government was extremely oppressive, it still held elections.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

these are acts of pure terror

Hmm and would you consider any nation partaking in such acts to be terrorist states?makima-think

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

:peter-griffin-okay-gradient: manifest

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I really need to know that emotes name

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unsearchable, lemme guess you have to know some ancient lore post to get that

Dumb

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

if you encounter something hard to find, search using the picker (the little smiley above the text box) not the shortcode with colon. Then it uses the tags to search, which include things like "skin, color, okay, not okay".

for some reason the shortcode autocomplete is a completely different codepath (probably because the picker is a separate library)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's Chomsky's definition of terrorism.

When they do it it's terrorism. When we do it it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I don't know who the poster is. I was just nodding along like "Yes, that is true why is it a hot take"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Curb your Enthusiasm song plays

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Schroedinger's war crime