it's like that Chinese dude from Caltech who invented China's nuclear program
I love America
it's like that Chinese dude from Caltech who invented China's nuclear program
I love America
“he wrote that poor people shouldnt be poor”
move aside. the marxism understander has entered the room.
Really weird, I swear I read this anecdote years ago before Zohran's campaign, but I can't remember where.
Yeah people are just now realizing that was his dad. Its wild that nobody brought this up when everyone was questioning if he was going to be the next aoc or something.
Did it make the rounds as a meme? I was thinking I may have read it in a Parenti book or smth
"Wow, what happened?"
This genuinely made my day
Well, poor people shouldn't be poor, he wrote
Damn sounds good sign me up!
Um, y-you're supposed to agree with US and NOT him
he just died? you're telling me now for the first time
Cool, I saw this before but didn't realize this was Zohrans dad
I had a similar experience the first time I got harassed for allegedly being a communist, because someone in a position of limited power wanted to make trouble for me...
I'd heard of Marx, but never been interested in reading his work, but I had no idea who Lenin was, when I was brought down to the front office of my school, to be asked some questions by some guys from the district. They asked whether I was a communist, I told them I had no idea what a commie was, besides that we beat them in the Cold War. They asked if I'd read Lenin, and I told them I'd never heard of him. They asked if I could point them to any of my classmates to ask the same questions to, I told them that there are no commies in this tiny little Catholic school and they're wasting their time questioning us.
I didn't actually read any theory right after that, that took a lot more time and a few more nasty incidents, but I did find out who Lenin was and learn a lot more about communism than I'd known before that incident, so.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but it's so funny to do McCarthyism on kids in a Catholic school, especially when there aren't any communists.
I know, right? It was so The Crucible. Not that I knew that at the time, or I'd have told them they were wasting their time on a witch hunt and name dropped the play. They'd honestly have had more luck hunting heretics, I sure as hell wasn't a practicing Catholic in good standing, and I know we had at least two Protestants and one kid who wasn't even Christian, even in that one tiny ass K-6 school. But saying you're hunting commies gets the local government to cooperate, literal witch hunting doesn't.
Which, funnily enough, just after I finally graduated from that nightmare a few years ago, the Catholic schools in my area are doing sectarianism and heretic hunting, as a result of complicated local regulatory shit that boils down to two school boards with different regulations and separate budgets and leadership, government at all levels that won't pay for enough public schools, and desperate public schools turfing out Catholic pupils, forcing the Catholic system to turf out non Catholics to take the displaced Catholics. I just hope they're too busy now quibbling over who's Catholic enough, that they don't have time to commie hunt, level baseless accusations against kids who just really like to read, and harass little girls at almost complete random, whether somethings actually Gone Wrong or not. (They had people from the district question everyone when some older kid at one K-12 I attended accidentally left some theory on a table in the school library, but that kind of visit from the district happened even when everything was business as usual.)
Oh, the stories I could tell about idiot children of the Cold War in collars and cassocks, running a school district. Homophobia, transphobia, sectarianism, commie hunting, it goes on and on. There's a Good. Damn. Reason. that The Crucible used church witch hunting as the known and viewed with derision example of mass hysteria to compare McCarthyism to. I went through so much hell for twelve long years because of the McCarthyist ghouls who ran my local Catholic schools and couldn't be convinced by anything short of God Himself that I was not a communist, just a bright and precocious child who was born with my mother's book addiction. You wanna talk about Cold War Christianity and its continuing ripples in church and state issues? I may not have been born until after the war, but I sure as hell lived through Cold War Christianity. You would not believe the "Cold War as a Crusade" rhetoric that went around, or how many times I had to answer the infamous Communist Party question in a room FULL of teachers and school administrators and sometimes my mum.
Yeah, it ultimately was probably what actually made me a commie. "If I'm going to do the time, I should at least understand what the crime is, and decide if I want to do it, since I'm doing the time anyway." Logic that makes a lot of sense when you're twelve and it's been six long years of this shit and another six to go. Then of course it only got worse...
There probably were actual communists for them to find, eventually. Communists that they'd made by doing this crap.
Yes, I'm still mad. Very mad. Not just because it happened to me. But because it happened to so many innocent kids. Because the Cold War never really ended. Not for everyone, not in the churches, not for the people with the least power over their own lives.
One of these days I have got to put the whole thing to (digital) paper, and change a bunch of the names and rewrite the funnier bits in third person, and sell the thing as stereotypical Cold War themed pulp fiction. Maybe I can make some lemonade out of these truly awful lemons. Or maybe just distribute the true story among comrades, horrify y'all with the Cold War nonsense that churches get away with in areas you wouldn't peg as Cold War flashpoints and hotbeds back in the day, that even the American feds aren't trigger happy enough to try.
I think it would be really cool if you made a memoir or a satire or something about this, and I think the world would be a better place for having more works like that. You could help kids feel reassured that it doesn't need to be this way and help the rest of society understand what goes on in some of these reactionary bubbles.
They asked if I'd read Lenin
"I didn't know he wrote books, but I do like his songs though."
Marx died? I didnt even know he was sick!
This is like a funnier, more sitcom version of a story I once heard of a latin american person who was brutally tortured by the police for suspected communism (because he was poor and indigenous I think?), and after being fucked with and tortured he basically become a communist for real out of spite.
When people make it very clear that they are your enemies and also make it clear which of their own enemies they are most afraid of, that is a very good argument for joining the second group.
"he's dead"
"I didn't even know he was sick"
I read this before and did not make the mamdani connection. Guess we know where Zohran got his quick wit
Newest episode of "Weird Little Guys" just came out a few days ago and she tells this exact same story. He was such a communist he didn't even know who Marx was.
The anticommunist action/red scare stuff really did a number on any truly "left" movement in the U.S. and is a large part of why we're here.
Sorry for the naive question, is this really from Zohran's dad?
He’s got a Wikipedia page. The Reading Fanon blogspot did the interview where he said this.
Thank you that's right
Perfect thank you!
i've definitely read this before, though i don't remember who the subject was
I saw it a while ago before he got popular so I'm thinking not but I don't know where it's from.
It was posted to Hexbear 5 months ago, likening Fuad Nassar's introduction to communism from British authorities to Mahmood Mamdani's introduction to Marx from an FBI interrogation.
Fuad Nassar, the great Palestinian communist, became a communist in Iraq, when the British authorities accused him of being a communist, even though he'd never heard of communism before. "Communism must be good if it pisses you so much," he told them. And then became a communist.
Sounds like a cool guy, hope he gets better soon
spoiler
I remember this meme from years ago,
Why did I read “dead” instead of “dad”
Rorschach’d the title too hard
I remember this from when he was on Chapo back in Feb.
This could conceivably be an Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment.
wait i just made the mamdani association...
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