Canada

That just sounds exactly like the US system though but you have to pay for it. My girlfriend has been dealing with medical stuff lately and was being bounced around between places with a month or more waiting time between each one. And whenever something came up that she would want to ask her primary care provider about it would be a few months for an appointment. The US system as far as I can tell doesn't really have much better wait times yet people still act like it's better here when my experience is it very much isn't.

Im Dead…..lol

Yank here. So, we don't have broad public healthcare because it keeps middle class people terrified of losing their white collar jobs. It also appeals to American racism, putting barriers up for people of color and the working poor to get equal treatment. Many Americans would happily screw themselves over to ensure someone else (they hate) has it worse.

We have hours long lines at private urgent care, and seeing a general practice doc takes 3 to 6 months of wait time (if you're lucky). Also, I'm queer. If The U.S. did have broad public healthcare, it would instantly be weaponized against all LGBTQ+ folks.

Tldl, in the States it's mostly about keeping the middle class terrified of losing their jobs, and ensuring there are working-poor people to sneer at.

Won’t you think of the poor healthcare execs? How will they afford their home in Aspen???

I got major surgery in Canada. I took out my wallet to show them photoID. Then I put it away.

My entire, full bill for surgery? I paid for parking.

In the US you'd have a 4 to 6 hour wait, $3000 to hospital for using the ER, $2000 for the doctor, and if there were scans and such a $$$$$ for using them! Oh also they will take months to bill you but also send it to debt collectors if you don't pay it for a month so then all of your personal data is sold and you get harassed to pay your debt!

Agreed. My fiancee had some pregnancy complications that resulted in numerous visits to the ER, including one that then required ambulance transfer to a bigger hospital an hour away and a 2 week stay there. One of the weeks she had to share a room and I couldn't stay overnight, but I was set up with a social worker who arranged a paid for hotel room for me a couple minutes away. Overall, I ended up paying $10 for parking at the big hospital (the social worker gave me a pass after I paid the first day), and maybe $20-30 on some really good Nanaimo bars from the lobby coffee shop. The family we shared the room with was in a similar situation, but since they lived further away they were flown in by air ambulance from their hospital, also at no cost.

I know people in AZ and southern California who do the same thing but to Mexico

The owners of the media support Trump. When this shit is all over the oligarchs need to be in jail and their wealth given back to the people.

I've seen a couple references to this. How serious is the discussion down there?

Size-wise, California would basically be a second Canada if it was independent. For that reason, I doubt we would jump at it (although I'd support it). There's the whole 1860's precedent that you aren't allowed leaving, though.

I wonder if they could convince Oregon and Washington to go with them. We could have a friendly American border again.