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Yes yes, language changes over time. I've heard that mantra for decades and I know it. That doesn't mean there aren't language changes that aren't grating when they become fashionable (and hopefully temporary).

For me, "morals" being used as a crude catch-all application of "morality," "ethics," "integrity" or related concepts bothers me. Sentence example: "Maybe if society had morals there wouldn't be so many minorities in prison." lmayo us-foreign-policy

An even more annoying otherwise-fluent-speaker modification I see is when "conscious" is used to mean "consciousness" and "conscience" interchangeably. Sentence example: "Single mothers on welfare that steal baby formula have no conscious." It sounds like they're saying the shoplifter is not mentally aware of their own actions, not that they're lacking sufficient "morals" to let their baby starve for the sake of Rules-Based Order(tm).

There's others, but those two come up enough recently, with sufficient newness, for me to bring them up here. Some old classic language quirks are so established and entrenched that even though I hate them, bringing them up would likely invite some hatemail and maybe some mystery alt accounts also sending hatemail after that. You know, because they "could care less(sic)" about what I think. janet-wink

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Maybe if society had morals there wouldn't be so many minorities in prison."

Funny enough, that's correct, just not in the way the person probably intended. The carceral state and institutional racism are indeed signs of a deeply immoral society.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

English had a big French spelling phase, so a bunch of our words have entirely different phonetic sounds vs their spelling. I constantly mess this up. Go ahead, make me spell bourgoise or bureacracy the first time. Nope failed again! Conscious/Conscience are definitely in that category.

For me I'm not sure if Math or Maths are correct ohnoes

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me with a time machine: going back and shooting William the Bastard in the head to save the English language

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Use a Kuh-nife when you do it, you bold Kuh-night of Time! knifecat

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You're not a real leftist if you can spell bourgeiouiuiouiise on the first try

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Grey/gray" trips me the fuck up and I'm an English teacher. stalin-stressed

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

use the fucking oxford comma you godforsaken cretins

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"could care less"

THIS

"it means the same thing!" they say

IF COULD CARE LESS MEANS THE SAME AS COULD NOT CARE LESS THEN THE WORD "NOT" IS ENTIRELY MEANINGLESS

dog-scremAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The people that usually say "could care less" tend to "care less" about saying it correctly because apathy is super cool just like based atrocity enjoying stoner drunk science man Rick Sanchez said it was.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact 99% of people use the word "logical" to mean "reasonable" because they literally don't know what logic is.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Logic means you feel very strongly about your opinion and you want to imply that those who disagree with you are illogical. expert-shapiro

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am irrationally irritated when people describe something as "addicting" rather than "addictive". I'm not even sure it's technically incorrect, and language is a fluid thing so this shouldn't irritate me. But I still have to consciously tell myself to not be annoyed by it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this house the only thing we call addicting is addictinggames.com 😤

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That counts; the quirk doesn't even necessarily have to be "wrong" to be annoying to an individual.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my defense I don't think I've ever actually corrected anybody, I just stew inside my own skull

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've given up on trying to correct people for the most part because language does change over time and new norms are established whether or not I'm comfortable with them. Sure, some of them are clumsy and staggeringly incorrect (like "conscious" being used in place of "conscience") but if it's done enough times, it'll become the expected way to communicate. angery

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I really hate the misuse of the word "pretentious." A lot of people use it to mean something like "pompous" when it's root is "pretense." It's only pretentious if someone is dissembling about how much they know about something. If someone actually knows as much about a subject as the appear to then it doesn't matter how annoying they are, it's still not pretentious.

And that's my very specific pet peeve. And having this opinion is itself extremely annoying, but it's still not pretentious goddamnit

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A pretense doesn't have to be in relation to knowledge that someone holds. A pretense could be someone acting as if they're more dignified or esteemed than they are, which is practically the definition of pompous.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

A bit pretentious eh?

Fun fact, pretentious and pretense are separated by more than 300 years.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Corpo-speak e-mails from bloviating, self-important middle managers who regurgitate such turns of phrase as "at this time" and/or "in a timely manor [sic]" make my eye twitch. I can overlook a lot of the "synergizing our thought leaders with operational tempo" jargon salad, but the aforementioned phrases trigger my fight-or-flight response, probably because they reek of petty tyrant small business night manager mentality and bring me back to the headspace of dealing with bosses like that when I was a kid.

I also once had to work with an IT project manager who insisted on pronouncing the word "processes" as if it had a long-E vowel sound in the plural ("pro-cess-eez"). It would derail my train of thought every fucking time.

Also also once had a direct supervisor who would throw around "irregardless" almost daily.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

AT THE END OF THE DAY

LOOKING AHEAD

ALL HANDS ON DECK

TIGHTEN OUR BELTS

capitalist-laugh

Also also once had a direct supervisor who would throw around "irregardless" almost daily.

I HATE THAT NON-WORD

I HATE THAT NON-WORD

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love using this language sarcastically

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a solution with real value! bateman-ontological

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When Enlightened Centrists whine about someone having an agenda or a narrative. disgost

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"_ and I" hypercorrection, or maybe reanalysis if we're being more descriptivist.

It's an interesting subject, and I'm kind of split on it as an amateur linguist, but as an English speaker it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I think English prescriptivism has pushed the order of pronouns in collective noun/pronoun phrases too much (eg. he and I, not I and him), and people have started to reanalyze the phrase as a noun phrase in itself, but not everyone so it sounds weird to a slice of the population. Then there's disjunctive pronouns that throws a wrench in the works.

Note: asterisk means it sounds ungrammatical to speakers of the language in linguistics (me in this case), no asterisk means okay to say. Also later correct reformulation means it's less common but still correct:

Alice, Bob and I are going.

*I are going.

I am going.

Me, Alice, and Bob are going.

*Me are going.

*Me am going.

Want to join me?

*Want to join I?

*Want to join Alice, Bob and I? <-- this is the one that annoys me, but you might think it's fine

Want to join Alice, Bob and me?

Alice and Bob aren't going probably, but me, I'm going for sure

Alice and Bob aren't going probably, but I, I'm going for sure

It's me who is going

It's me who am going <-- this is pushing it

It's I who is going

It's I who am going <-- actually acceptable, but I still do a double take

Alice and Bob like to go more than me

Alice and Bob like to go more than I

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes I can be tricked into overthinking something that I had taken as an unexamined given until it no longer makes sense to me.

And you just did that to me. angery

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was interviewed by a linguist about my other native language once and it broke my ability to say stuff in that language for a day or two. It's only fair I get to do that to an Anglophone too joker-troll

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I hate linguistic prescriptionism and believe all English is fine if people understand what you mean, so things like this just gives me ammo to bother others in the future.

I could care less about conscious vs conscious before, but now that I know it slightly annoys others I'll never spell it with the e ever again stalin-garrison

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I know contrarianism is pretty hip so you do you I guess. yea

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Grammer is really quirky and I could literally talk about it for hours. The affect that grammer has on all of us is really something to behold, it really peaks my interest. Some people "go nucular" when talking about grammer but you and I are on the same page I think.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People using "reactionary" instead of "reactive"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

and when you actually use "reactionary" correctly they think you mean reactive

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

run the gambit

when they mean

run the gamut

Maybe it's because I've been familiar with color gamut since like Photoshop 5 or something. And I know people that really likely know the gamut word but they just got the telephone version of the phrase at some point I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The reframing of "politics" to whatever people think it means. My cliffnotes of "politics" is "engaging with social relations through the lens of power", not "stuff people in parliament do" or "minority emancipation " or whatever other extremely reductive definition people use.

I keep class signifiers out of conversation, but things like "eckspecially" or "nucular" annoy me. But that's my dad's elitist elocution coming through.

X-of instead of X-have.

"Well actually ", "Consider" and other codewords that suggest I am about to receive a take of breathtaking innanity and self-importance

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This might be the perfect place for me to take the soapbox and tell you all about my opinion on singular "they" (no, it isn't that one)

Singular "they" should be treated as any other singular pronoun for the sake of clarity.

They ~~are~~ eating pancakes.
They is eating pancakes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Using "whilst" where "while" would work fine. Feels like the grammatical equivalent of plastic cutlery spray-painted chrome

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"she has no conscious" makes me lose my mind. Same with "would of". The education system is beyond terrible. So many adults are borderline illiterate

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Literally" is a lost cause. It means "figuratively" but Parks and Rec's Trager popularized the alternative word.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Extensive misuse of the word "literally" was a thing decades before Parks and Rec ever aired. That's why the character does it, it's poking fun of the fact that so many people use the word incorrectly and have done so for a very long time. In the 90s, there were a pair of recurring characters on MadTV named Judith and Clyde whose bit were doing the exact same thing.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Doubling down on the "I could care less" as a misinterpretation of "I couldn't care less".

The phrase "I could not care less" means someone doesn't care whatsoever. Saying "I could care less" implies the person does care. I had no idea how widespread it was until I started using US websites.

Also, it doesn't so much annoy me, but

spoilergendered language. using neutral terms for everything is actually easier and simplifies the language.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"same difference"

it's like they took the phrases "same thing" and "no difference" and combined them into one phrase that makes no sense

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"Cue" means "to indicate to another party that it is now time to undertake a previously planned action"

"Queue" means "to line up neatly"

They are not interchangeable and the only explanation I can think of is people seeing "queue" on their phone's music player and thinking that means "start music"

Oh and while I'm whining "discreet" means "secret" and "discrete" means "its own separate thing" GET IT RIGHT meow-tableflip

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