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https://archive.is/20260812161853/https://www.ft.com/content/1b0a8ed9-d55a-49ea-971e-39e01e588632#selection-1799.0-1871.323

Because his writings turned the world upside down, it is natural to forget what a normie Karl Marx could be. He quit Soho for a life of suburban routine when circumstances allowed it. His attitude to various ethnic groups was of its time, at best. The great snob was also, according to one biographer, “ridiculously proud of having married a bit of posh”. A “von”, no less. You can kick the boy out of Prussia . . . 

From the beginning, it was possible to be a socialist, the socialist, and culturally middle-of-the-road. It was possible to believe in seizing the means of production without being avant-garde on matters of sex, race, crime or war. That point has got lost over time, to the left’s immense cost.

The District of Columbia is about to join New York in having a mayor from the Democratic Socialists of America. Soon, Michiganders will be able to vote for a US senator of a similar bent. In 2028, perhaps in an atmosphere of AI-induced job anxiety, someone DSA-ish could become the Democratic nominee for president. I can hear a tapping sound, as readers of a certain financial bracket dial the phone numbers of their wealth managers. But there has been talk of a socialist breakthrough before, for example in Britain under Jeremy Corbyn and more lately under the Greens’ Zack Polanski. If it never quite materialises, the reason tends to be the same.

In the end, the hard left will always pair a conceivably popular economic programme with a provably hated cultural one. The mystery is why.

The DSA wants to “disempower police unions”. (Some workers, as ever, are more equal than others.) The ultimate aim is “fully abolishing the police”. There would be no Department of War. The group also calls for race reparations and an end to visa caps. Some DSA candidates have de-emphasised these ideas in favour of economic populism. Zohran Mamdani is one. In a presidential race, however, no one could survive even tangential association with this cultural prospectus. The Republican attack ad writes itself. It would gloss over the tax-the-rich stuff, which after all polls well, highlight instead the police-bashing, and that would be that. In 2026, the rich are lucky in their enemies. If a politician could decouple socialism from the set of cultural ideas known as “woke”, he or she would be difficult to stop. Bernie Sanders half-tried, though no one was going to trust a man in the autumn of his life to face down as tenacious a movement as the cultural left. After that, examples dry up. If anything, Corbyn regarded socialist economics as a diversion from the real fun of nuclear disarmament and uniting Ireland. The one place that might have produced a culturally conservative or at least culturally neutral socialism is continental Europe, but even the French left has absorbed American woke jargon, perhaps recognising in it the authorial stamp of Michel Foucault.

And so capitalism glides on, never quite facing what would be its sternest political test. The question is why the left allows it to happen.

Perhaps they know what they are doing. Perhaps the appeal of woke is underrated. Almost half of all voters support the abolition of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A US that is failing to win in Iran, as it failed to win in Iraq and Afghanistan, could become receptive to the DSA’s line against foreign wars. But I don’t sense it is as calculated as all that. Marx himself would have put forward another answer. The fact that socialists pick vote-losing cultural fights is proof of the “superstructure”: the intellectual atmosphere of society, which subtly protects the interests of the asset-owning class. Woke has been such a godsend for capitalism — making its enemies look ridiculous — that it can seem almost engineered for that purpose.

Whatever the explanation, we should not normalise, just because we have grown up with it, the strange blend of command-and-control economics and ultra-progressive culture. Nothing about the one implies the other, except that both constitute a kind of rebellion. If anything, it is capitalism that pairs better with woke, in that both emphasise the individual. The right to keep one’s earned income, the right to cross national borders and the right to self-define in gender terms all spring from the same root.

One day, a political entrepreneur will notice the unmet demand for a culturally moderate-to-conservative socialism. At that point, the game will be on. A century or so after Das Kapital, some British dockers marched in defence of Enoch Powell, a Tory minister who had been fired for a speech against non-white immigration. The march wasn’t, and isn’t, peculiar. The conservatism of even the organised working class should not be news. Unable to come to terms with it, the modern left retreats into a sort of Ken Loach or Mike Leigh fantasy world, in which Christian and Muslim, native and migrant, blue-haired teenager and laid-off steelworker, are forever teaming up to fight the real Other, which is neoliberalism. As middlebrow cinema, this is harmless enough. As electoral politics, it is pure denial. Socialists are in the business of winning and holding power. It could happen, if they did not keep offering economic dirigisme and identity politics as bundled software. Those who want them to lose on both counts are forever grateful.

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[-] puppygirlpets@hexbear.net 11 points 19 hours ago

"let me say slurs bro! c'mon, what are you, some kinda pussyremoved**removed?"

[-] BattleshipPokemon@hexbear.net 12 points 21 hours ago

on a side note, it's crazy how hard conservative commentariats are still shadow boxing Ken Loach almost a decade after he retired, like no one outside of britain even knows who he is but these guys utterly despise him

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 2 points 9 hours ago

One thing I've noticed about chuds in general is they love a good grudge. They literally can't get over them. Chuds are top tier whingers.

the financial times is pioneering something that has never been done before: subordinating socialism to nationalism

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 97 points 1 day ago

“This will help your cause.” - guy who hates you and your cause.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 19 hours ago

It is good to be attacked by the enemy

[-] batsforpeace@hexbear.net 64 points 1 day ago

I am sure this Financial Times writer has the best interests of the left in mind

[-] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

I am sure that this writer has the best understanding of what leftism is.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago

What a coincidence AOC quips about woke 1.0 on ABC news and suddenly all the racist centrist zionist scum start penning op-eds about how "racism is cool actually, see even the left agrees now!"

She's their little canary in the coal mine huh, dry snitch supreme

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 71 points 1 day ago

Base and superstructure? What the fuck are those?

Professional economy understander

[-] muhg@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 day ago

Is anyone who took economics in college literally brainwashed into being unable to understand marxist economics? Is it some sort of level 5 turbolib hypnosis that utterly seperates you from material reality? Feels like it whenever a professional bourgeois economist talks.

[-] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This is only a little related, but it's a funny story, so I'm telling it.

I taught a Calculus for Business class to business major undergrads one time when I was in grad school. At one point, I taught a concept completely wrong (because I didn't understand it, it was some nonsense about calculating equilibrium price given a demand curve or something), and that happened to be the day my teaching supervisor was observing, just to double check I'm doing ok, help me with any issues they spot with my teaching, you know. So yeah, my teaching supervisor was like "good job, but you absolutely messed up that one concept, here's how it actually works". And I was like "oh I see! I definitely did mess that up, I'll apologize and re-teach next time". And my teaching supervisor straight up said that I don't need to worry about it, just move on, it won't matter even a little bit that these kids received this wrong information.

Business Calc is a joke class

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

econ is full of unitless graphs

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Western econ classes don't teach much in the way of actual structuring, they teach math and how Keynesian economics should work if everything were in a frictionless, airless vacuum (spoiler: reality is not in a frictionless, airless vacuum)

You learn things in the abstract, but because so much of it is tantamount to haruspex, you don't learn much in the way of practical application. So I suppose to many people who spent years studing that, the notion that economics should actually be able to be taught and understood in a more grounded manner seems ridiculous.

Is anyone who took economics in college literally brainwashed into being unable to understand marxist economics?

I know a Marxist who studies economics and they're the most scarily powerful leftist i have ever met, but they are the exception. Economics departments are a core propaganda unit of the bourgeois class and have been stocked with pseudoscientific yes-men for many decades.

[-] OffSeasonPrincess@hexbear.net 55 points 1 day ago
[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

We need an emote of this and that's not something you catch me saying very often.

[-] Trioxin@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 day ago

The right to keep one’s earned income

FT over here still trying to pretend like capitalism isn't based on compensating most people less than the value of what they produced in order to give a few people more than the value of what they produced.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Emphasis mine.

It was possible to believe in seizing the means of production without being avant-garde on matters of sex, race, crime or war.

For the right - a writer can never complain too much about "radical" opinions aka better things are possible on sex, race, and policing. I'm assuming by "crime" he must mean policing. But what does he think is a "radical" stance on war? War is bad?

It is capitalism that pairs better with woke, in that both emphasise the individual. The right to keep one’s earned income, the right to cross national borders and the right to self-define in gender terms all spring from the same root. One day, a political entrepreneur will notice the unmet demand for a culturally moderate-to-conservative socialism. At that point, the game will be on.

Brilliant. This guy invented something that somehow has never been tried before - ultimate dipshit centrism. I don't understand how that's connected to socialism though. Do people like the writer never talk to regular, normal people?

[-] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 day ago

Blue Labour, as an example, are absolutely doing terrible at pushing this "economically left, culturally right" position. A useless fringe sect within the Labour party that have failed to achieve anything except annoying people to their left.

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

economically left, culturally right"

Their face when the anonymous left voices they read online are all minorities.

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Isn't avant-garde Fr*nch for vanguard?

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Avant-garde has an uncommon meaning "radical", etc.

  1. unorthodox or daring; radical.

I think the writer should have just used "radical" (or similar) and "avant-garde" is too distracting.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You know, he doesn't have to question what Marx would say about the American working class, or not quote him on anything. Marx literally discusses, in multiple of his articles and letters, how many within the British working class have adopted a bourgeois mindset, born out of years of accumulated colonial racism which they themselves marginally benefit from materially. This of course, was then expanded more greatly upon within Lenin's own theory of imperialism.

The idea that this is evidence of the 'superstructure' is baffling to me. All societies have a superstructure. He is clearly mixing up and combining the ideas of 'superstructure' and 'hegemony'. Yes, it is evidence of hegemony, and maybe, just maybe, it is the non radicalized workers who are more susceptible to hegemonic programming, and not the actively politically conscious? Such tailist nonsense.

Additionally, there he goes, spouting the idea that the ability to keep one's own income (as if ownership of the means of production isn't always superior), cross borders and self-define gender identity come from capitalism, when all of the those concept historically stem directly out of radical socialist (both utopian and scientific) ideas.

And I like how he is pretending that these kinds of conversations don't happen every single day within active organizations.

Of course he wants a conservative-presenting socialism. Then it wouldn't be threatening at all.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

"Why must socialism help all workers instead of just some of the workers?" Because if it doesn't help all of the workers it isn't socialism

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago

This article examines Vladimir Lenin’s Marxist theory of racism and his anti-racist struggle. It distinguishes five elements. The first is that racism has a class root. The bourgeoisie promotes racism to exploit, divide, and rule the proletariat. Lenin proposed revolutionary socialism as the solution. Second, Lenin identified proletarian racial unity as essential for achieving socialism. His approach to the national question supported that unity. Third, Lenin integrated racism into his theory of imperialism. He argued that Western capitalism deployed racism to justify colonialism, with the aim of accumulating capital. Fourth, Lenin played a crucial role in opposing racism. Under his leadership, Soviet Russia arose as the world’s first anti-racist state, and the Communist International prioritised anti-racism. Fifth, Leninism played a prominent role in anti-racist struggles during the Soviet era. Leninist revolutionaries led racial liberation movements throughout the world. Lenin’s Marxism provides the key to defeating racism in the world today.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21598282.2025.2582585

-noted liberal wokie….Vladimir Lenin?

Any time you read this sort of hysterical antiwoke bullshit from supposed leftists or left sympathizers, you have to wonder what exactly they gain from this and what most serves their interests. Here, we have uh… the Financial Times. I’ll let you reach your own conclusions.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Just wait till they find out what Uncle Ho was writing about.

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

This Will Not Help Further Your Cause -- guy who hates you and your cause

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago
[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

its messed up that their party gets the abbreviation that is also a type of bullet. its kinda cool and i hate that

Oh look, another case of "we would have socialism already if we would hate trans and black people more and would be more pro cop and more pro military", that's what the left needs, doing a literal Gavin Newsome.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

aka National Socialism with American Bigotry Characteristics

[-] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 day ago

Love when our political enemies 'marx-splain' and pretend they know shit all about Marxist theory and its developments both culturally and in economics.

I also like when they call funding the murderous racist American police a cultural issue and not a clearly an issue of economic justice for minorities.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The conservatism of even the organised working class should not be news. Unable to come to terms with it, the modern left retreats into a sort of Ken Loach or Mike Leigh fantasy world, in which Christian and Muslim, native and migrant, blue-haired teenager and laid-off steelworker, are forever teaming up to fight the real Other, which is neoliberalism.

jesse-wtf

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

Ah he's back. The Inexplicable Republican Friend.

[-] ThatVeganYouHate@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Death to America

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Cruelty and exclusion are somehow more indoctrinated than economic inequality.

[-] Kurtismayfield@lemmy.zip 0 points 19 hours ago

"The DSA wants to “disempower police unions”. (Some workers, as ever, are more equal than others)"

Nope. Employ them towards finding and prosecution of the outright corruption happening among the political and upper classes. Watch the FT clutch pearls.

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