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the empire is evil (thelemmy.club)
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[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 82 points 2 months ago

Yeah but Luke Skywalker is white.

...that's all you need. :|

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 2 months ago

Cracker farm-boy Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy blond hair, blue eyes.

[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oddly played by the polar opposite in Mark Hamill.

[-] magikmw@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

He's good at that with Joker too.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

Skywalker and the rebellion only attacked combatants. Big difference there.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's movie niceness. There's another faction of the rebellion they comes up a few times that has no such qualms.

Also are you really telling me everyone on the death star and whatever planet in the sequels was a combatant

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[-] vane@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

So you say there was no independent contractors building Death Star in Return of the Jedi ?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

They knew what they were signing up for.

[-] magikmw@piefed.social 4 points 2 months ago

Did they tho? Empire's propaganda has near endless resources and reach.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you work on a military installation during a war, you shouldn't be surprised to find yourself in the middle of an attack.

Exactly - we’ve allowed our government(s) to dilute the definition of terrorism through constant misuse. It’s not terrorism to attack military targets, even if the attacker is a stateless actor. Similarly, it is terrorism to attack civilians, even when perpetrated by a government. Terrorism is not simply a catch-all term for unsanctioned violence.

[-] BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

So you're saying the state of Israel is terrorists?

[-] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

Are you saying they aren't?

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 2 months ago
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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

The people rebuilding the Death Star weren't combatants.

Also, didn't Stellan Skarsgard do some morally questionable shit in Andor?

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Anyone working on a military base during a war is a combatant. They are contributing directly to the war effort.

[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

In a society committed to total war, that argument can be used against civilians.

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[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, the Rebellion we are shown through its heroes are not terrorists, they are a guerilla army. They don't want to break the Empire through citizen revolt after sowing mass unrest; they make precision strikes on military infrastructure and assassinate critical Imperial officials.

[-] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

But there must've been a death star canteen, yeah? There must've been a cafeteria downstairs.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

There are chefs and janitors on aircraft carriers.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I want the penne all’arrabbiata.

[-] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago
[-] t_berium@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

This one's wet...

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Saw Gererra would like a word.

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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 2 months ago

It hits different when you personally know stormtroopers.

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 10 points 2 months ago

Are you saying/implying they joined because they were forced to due to socio-economic hardships and very few joined because they supported fascism? Or was it the other way around?

[-] ghosthack@feddit.uk 18 points 2 months ago

Coz Luke is white, bro. Imagine if they did everything the same, nothing changes in star wars, except Luke and Obi Wan are changed to black and brown guys.

How many of these people would still love the movie?

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[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

But that's different. Luke is white.

[-] Azrael@reddthat.com 9 points 2 months ago

The Empire vs the Rebellion wasn't black and white anyway. There was good and bad on both sides.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In newer Star Wars (especially stuff like Andor), I agree. In old Star Wars (especially episode IV-VI), no. These movies are 100% black and white.

The most grey character that exists in there is Darth Vater who's whole life of horrible atrocities was forgiven within 2 minutes because he betrayed space Hitler and was the Hero's dad.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

tbf, betraying space hitler to end the war...

[-] Azrael@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

In Episodes IV-VI, I think the Empire was portrayed as bad mainly due to their execution of power.

I think the Empire's ideals of order and stability don't seem so bad in theory. Even the Mandolorian TV show (which was set around that time) supports this perspective.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago

The virtue of stability is entirely dependent on the virtue of the system you are stabilizing.

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Nah, I never forgave Anakin for killing the younglings. He doesn't come back from that. Period.

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist

[-] Haaveilija@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yea no, it was white and white 😐

[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Most people just watch movies for fun, they don't think about it.

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[-] farbel@mas.to 2 points 2 months ago

@Deceptichum Yup, he's white as they come.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Still people idolise darth vador...

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