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the empire is evil (thelemmy.club)
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[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Most people just watch movies for fun, they don't think about it.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

You should watch them with my son, the film studies major. I try to discuss that cool violent scene, and he wants to discuss the existential nature of the antagonist's motivation or something.

[-] ghosthack@feddit.uk 17 points 2 days ago

Coz Luke is white, bro. Imagine if they did everything the same, nothing changes in star wars, except Luke and Obi Wan are changed to black and brown guys.

How many of these people would still love the movie?

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 80 points 3 days ago

Yeah but Luke Skywalker is white.

...that's all you need. :|

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 3 days ago

Cracker farm-boy Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy blond hair, blue eyes.

[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oddly played by the polar opposite in Mark Hamill.

[-] magikmw@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

He's good at that with Joker too.

[-] Azrael@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago

The Empire vs the Rebellion wasn't black and white anyway. There was good and bad on both sides.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In newer Star Wars (especially stuff like Andor), I agree. In old Star Wars (especially episode IV-VI), no. These movies are 100% black and white.

The most grey character that exists in there is Darth Vater who's whole life of horrible atrocities was forgiven within 2 minutes because he betrayed space Hitler and was the Hero's dad.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, I never forgave Anakin for killing the younglings. He doesn't come back from that. Period.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

tbf, betraying space hitler to end the war...

[-] Azrael@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

In Episodes IV-VI, I think the Empire was portrayed as bad mainly due to their execution of power.

I think the Empire's ideals of order and stability don't seem so bad in theory. Even the Mandolorian TV show (which was set around that time) supports this perspective.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

The virtue of stability is entirely dependent on the virtue of the system you are stabilizing.

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist

[-] Haaveilija@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yea no, it was white and white 😐

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Still people idolise darth vador...

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

Skywalker and the rebellion only attacked combatants. Big difference there.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago

The people rebuilding the Death Star weren't combatants.

Also, didn't Stellan Skarsgard do some morally questionable shit in Andor?

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

The people rebuilding the Death Star weren't combatants.

WTF? Of course they are.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Anyone working on a military base during a war is a combatant. They are contributing directly to the war effort.

[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

In a society committed to total war, that argument can be used against civilians.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Ukraine is attacking Russia's oil infrastructure because it is funding the Russian war machine. They are valid targets, despite being run by civilians. I wish them good hunting.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's movie niceness. There's another faction of the rebellion they comes up a few times that has no such qualms.

Also are you really telling me everyone on the death star and whatever planet in the sequels was a combatant

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

are you really telling me everyone on the death star and whatever planet in the sequels was a combatant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4MVQby0InQ

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

He raises fair points but also the contractors would likely know what they were working on this time around (that it was a planet killing weapon)

[-] tryagain@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

Even the nice server in the canteen who told Lord Vader he'd need a tray for his penne arrabbiata because the plate was hot?

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago

Vader drops the plate because it's too hot

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[-] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago
[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

"It's a tra...y"

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[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Saw Gererra would like a word.

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[-] vane@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

So you say there was no independent contractors building Death Star in Return of the Jedi ?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They knew what they were signing up for.

[-] magikmw@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago

Did they tho? Empire's propaganda has near endless resources and reach.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you work on a military installation during a war, you shouldn't be surprised to find yourself in the middle of an attack.

Exactly - we’ve allowed our government(s) to dilute the definition of terrorism through constant misuse. It’s not terrorism to attack military targets, even if the attacker is a stateless actor. Similarly, it is terrorism to attack civilians, even when perpetrated by a government. Terrorism is not simply a catch-all term for unsanctioned violence.

[-] BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

So you're saying the state of Israel is terrorists?

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 1 day ago
[-] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Are you saying they aren't?

[-] BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago
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It hits different when you personally know stormtroopers.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

But that's different. Luke is white.

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