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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
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English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

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More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"Israeli occupation bombed the family of Al-Jazeera’s chief correspondent in Gaza, killing his wife, son, daughter & others.

Wael Al-Dahdouh has been one of the most prominent voices covering the war on Gaza.

He was quoted saying “do they want to take revenge on us by going after our kids?”"

https://t.me/qbrigades/15882

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

With it seeming like the Ukrainian counteroffensive is basically over now, this is my final bingo grid. No lines unfortunately; Russia did much better than I expected.

It's time to move on to the next offensive, and this is my bingo grid for Israel:

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Al Jazeera: Demonstrations in Israel against Gaza war

A protest against the fighting in Gaza is currently taking place in Tel Aviv.

Demonstrators held placards calling for a ceasefire and to negotiate a “hostage deal” to bring captives held by Hamas home.

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tie me to a missile and fire it at Washington DC, I am ready

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lmao Israel's diplomat is saying Guterres should resign

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Joy Behar: Rashida Tlaib ‘lies like Trump’ on Israel, Hamas conflict

Sorry in advance on the psychic damage. Doubling down on the same day the failing NY Times basically comes out and says the Israeli/US govt story doesn't hold up (that's as close as they will ever get to saying it wasn't a Hamas rocket, no matter the evidence).

All you need to know about Behar is in one sentence on her wikipedia page: "Behar resides in The Hamptons. She also owns a home on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. She is a Democrat." She is also an old as shit reactionary white American who has no knowledge of anything but lots and lots and lots of opinions.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Germany: Wagenknecht & company officially announced they're going to split from Die Linke and do their own party. The party is going to be Keynesian, pro-welfare, nationalist, anti-immigration, soft EU-critical, non-interventionist and "anti-woke". This will hurt Die Linke, but they seem more-or-less done regardless, plus much of the leadership would like to go full imperialist lib in order to be allowed to govern.

The new party has good potential according to the polls, filling a niche not covered by the other parties. Some say that niche is some sort of fascism, but if you apply that standard (and you probably should), something like 98% of Germans are fascists, most of them worse than this new party. My disgust at this new "social-conservative" (O-Ton Wagenknecht) party is somewhat dulled by the fact that a bunch people I know that are very angry at this are somehow far less outraged at the Greens or SPD, who are currently materially supporting multiple genocides and are literally handing weapons to Nazis.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

New York Times analysis indicating the projectile that Israel claims was a failed PIJ rocket was actually an Iron Dome missile and is unrelated to the subsequent hospital explosion. The Israeli narrative is falling apart if even the ~~US propaganda rag~~ "newspaper of record" is going against it.

It has no conclusions on the cause of the explosion though, just debunks of Israel's claim. But that doesn't leave many other options.

Wikipedia is finally being forced to accept that the expert analysis is not so one sided, going from

Experts largely agreed that a misfired rocket launched from within Gaza was the likely cause of the explosion based on video analysis and the extent of the damage caused by the impact.

to

Experts speaking in the days after the strike agreed with the Israel Defense Forces' analysis that a misfired Palestinian rocket launched at Israel from within Gaza and captured on video was the likely cause of the explosion. However, a subsequent video analysis by The New York Times concluded that the much-publicized video in fact showed the break-up of an Israeli rocket unrelated to the hospital explosion.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago

One thing that's quite interesting is the willingness of those on the right to signal boost leftist activism, even far leftist, when it suits them. If a significant enough split in the right occurred on a domestic issue it would open the door to the vanguard theory even with a weak left as a result of all activists with any ability to quickly mobilise people being on the left.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia says it will build close ties with North Korea 'in all areas' (Reuters, 26th of October, 2023)

Russia said on Thursday that it planned to build close ties with North Korea in all areas, a day after South Korea, Japan and the United States condemned what they said were weapons supplies from Pyongyang to Moscow.

Asked about the accusation by the three countries, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “There are many such reports, they are all groundless as a rule, there are no specifics. Such reports have been around for a long time. We see no point in commenting on this.” He added: “North Korea is our neighbour and we continue and will continue to develop close relations in all areas.”

Pressed on whether weapons deliveries had taken place, Peskov said: “We don’t comment on this in any way.”

sicko-yes

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Telecommunications gradually returning in Gaza: Reports

We’re getting reports that telecommunications are gradually being restored in the Gaza Strip.

Several Palestinian media outlets are reporting the resumption of telephone and internet services.

Phone networks and the internet were largely cut off on Friday as Israel announced an expansion of its military offensive on Gaza.

thank you elon musk

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago

the latest mass shooter in amerikkka is a troop, i am shocked

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Speculation going around the USS Carney has no missiles. They allegedly fired off their entire anti-air payload when the Houthis attacked them. People are speculating that these platforms basically have a massive vulnerability to swaming tactics or just running out of ammunition.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Make no mistake: what is, has or will unfold in Gaza is purely an Israeli decision." - USMC commandant Gen. Eric Smith told reporters.

Nitter

I hadn't heard anybody in the MIC express it so directly.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

More than 500 people killed by Israel's attack on the Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza. Most of them women and children. Stop this madness!!

The above tweet by Danish footballer Nadia Nadim has made a lot of nasty people very angry at her, including the deputy leader of the hardliner zionist governing succdem party who is on the record saying that "it is highly problematic to share that kind of 'fake news'. I think it is obvious to most people that nobody knows exactly who struck the hospital".

Nadim is being accused of "disinformation" and "fake news" in mainstream media who treats it as a fact that the perpetrators of the hospital massacre are unknown or even reports the zionist lie that PIJ did it.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

my hope is with palestine tonight palestine-heart

hoping for many many deaths of these genocidal freaks

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In first act, new US House speaker brings pro-Israel resolution to floor

Following weeks of deadlock to select a leader for the US House of Representatives, newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson has brought his first bill to the floor – a pro-Israel resolution.

The bill, which Johnson described as being “in support of our dear friend Israel”, condemns Hamas without mentioning civilians or calling for restraint.

It passed with 412 legislators voting in favour, 10 voting against, six voting present (abstaining) and five not present.

The vote underscores the staunch support for Israel within the chamber, where only a handful of US legislators have called for a Gaza ceasefire.

Meanwhile, a report by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz has highlighted Johnson’s ties to the Israeli far-right. The evangelical legislator traveled to Israel in 2020 on a trip organised by a group whose leader lives in an illegal Israeli settlement, according to the newspaper.

He also visited the Al-Aqsa Mosque with right-wing groups and legislators, according to Haaretz.

- Al Jazeera

I despise this country

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Israeli media: The army is carrying out a dangerous ground maneuver to collect intelligence information and is making a limited ground advance on the “border” with Gaza.

Initial reports of the kidnapping of soldiers during the occupation’s attempt to penetrate Beit Hanoun, north of Gaza, by Palestinian resistance fighters.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does coining “Genocide Joe” earn Hexbear a paragraph in the history books (if they exist)?

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The UN chief says it is important to recognise the attacks by Hamas “did not happen in a vacuum”.

“The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation,” he told UN Security Council members.

“They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements, plagued by violence, their economy stifled, their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing.”

Guterres, however, said grievances by the Palestinians cannot justify the “appalling attacks” by Hamas, which in turn could not justify the “collective punishment of the Palestinian people”.

“At a crucial moment like this, it is vital to be clear on principles, starting with the fundamental principle of respecting and protecting civilians.”

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am surprised nobody has thrown a shoe at Biden based on where we are on the Iraq war timeline.

Nitter

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

More from Blinken: US does not seek war with Iran, but will defend itself

The top US diplomat has condemned so-called “Iranian proxies” that he said “have repeatedly attacked US personnel in Iraq and Syria” in recent days.

“We do not want this war to widen,” Blinken told the UN Security Council, “but if Iran or its proxies attack us personnel anywhere, make no mistake, we will defend our people. We will defend our security swiftly and decisively.

“To all the members of this council, if you, like the United States, want to prevent this conflict from spreading, tell Iran, tell its proxies in public, in private, through every means: ‘Do not open another front against Israel in this conflict. Do not attack Israel’s partners.'”

Blinken added that he will be discussing ways to stop the spread of the conflict with China’s Wang Yi during the Chinese foreign minister’s visit to Washington, DC later this week. Iran and China maintain close strategic and trade ties.

we will 'defend ourselves' on our military bases nowhere near our country. also don't you dare try to prevent Israel doing a genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Alright, this one is a long shot so I'll need some help turning this lathe but: Two state solution transitionary period where the Israelis are ruled by the Communist Party

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

IOF saying (conveniently) Hamas bases are under a hospital. they just can't wanting to bomb hospitals, fucking hell

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ETIM-supporting liberals are here to lecture you about supporting terrorism.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Decided to take a look at some nafo dorks on twitter to see how they're taking this and, folks, they've turned themselves into a circular firing squad.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

3m ago...

Gaza is completely isolated from the world

Tareq Abu Azzoum is able to send sporadic live broadcasts from Khan Younis in Gaza via satellite, but Al Jazeera’s news desk is unable to contact him directly due to the near-communication black out in the bombarded enclave.

What the Gaza Strip is witnessing right now is massive deterioration. We are talking about more than 2.3 million Palestinians now isolated from the world. They are unable to communicate with their relatives or with each other.

What we are now witnessing in Gaza is very unpredictable and the situation may turn on a glance. Please guys, if you can hear us, we are talking now without having any kind of contact with the news desk and just trying to wait for them to communicate. We don’t have any kind of phone contacts we might lose this contact at any moment.

What is happening on the ground is considered to be collective punishment for more than 2.3 million Palestinians. The Gaza Strip right now is completely isolated from the world.

- Al Jazeera

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

“The lives of innocent Palestinians must be protected,” Thomas-Greenfield wrote in a social media post.

“The lives of UN personnel and humanitarian workers and journalists must be protected. We mourn the loss of every single innocent life in this crisis. Every single one.”

The fucking gall. xi-plz

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looking for Israelis in Dagestan

data-laughing

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Report indicates US wants different approach from Israel

The Washington Post earlier reported that the Biden administration is urging Israel to pursue “surgical” operations in Gaza, as opposed to a full ground incursion.

The report cited five unnamed US officials, who said the administration was concerned that Israel’s approach could lead to a wider escalation and scuttle negotiations for the release of hostages.

“They have clearly shifted from an initial ‘We have your back; we’ll do whatever you want’ to now ‘You really need to rethink your strategy.’ And they’re doing it in a careful way,” one official told the newspaper.

Reporting from Washington, DC, Al Jazeera’s Patty Culhane say the story could be an effort by the Biden administration to guide Israelis without officially rebuking them. It is a common strategy US administrations have used for years, she said.

“If they are talking to the Israelis, trying to guide them and give suggestions and trying, they never do it in public,” she said

lol yeah I'm sure the lunatics will listen to you despite you providing them unconditional support

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

There is a Palestinian solidarity March being held at my old university ran by its communist club. The Muslim Students Association at this same university is urging everybody not to go.

What a mess.

Edit: I just realized I posted this in the news thread rather than the general thread, oops.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bold move from the Israelis, trying to throw UN secretary General under the bus

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hot take: the IDF is advertised as a technologically advanced force but it's going to get absolutely fucked by peasants armed with Kalashnikovs in Gaza. It's going to be the US in Viet Nam all over again, bet the house on it.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israeli forces raid Jenin

Israeli military forces are conducting a raid on Jenin, where they have clashed with Palestinian fighters in the northern occupied West Bank city.

Jenin, and particularly its refugee camp, is a base for Palestinian armed resistance to the Israeli occupation, who regularly battle Israeli forces during the latter’s raids.

- Al Jazeera

doing these night raids into the West Bank seems to be their MO right now

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Why I Just Quit DSA, by Maurice Isserman

They wanted a break, in the not terribly distant future, from the intolerable compromises required to appeal to mainstream voters and to compromise with mainstream politicians. And they also believed that DSA members elected to public office were, first and foremost, obliged to follow the positions adopted by the organization, rather than their constituents or their own conscience, as if they were already subordinate to the dictates of an old-fashioned Marxist-Leninist central committee.

This article is the equivalent of a right-wing Democrat (same-picture, I know) addressing the Republican National Convention to say "I didn't leave the party, the party left me."

There were many eloquent responses to DSA’s all-but-explicit endorsement of Hamas’s horrifying atrocities, including those by Michelle Goldberg in The New York Times, and Joshua Leifer in Dissent. But the one I’d like to highlight is from comedian, writer, and actor Sarah Silverman . . .

picard

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