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The corporations selected is the Barrett company, known for making the .50 cal anti-material rifle that every gun fucker dreams of owning and Mars Inc. That's the joke. Who the fuck are they? Fun answer is that it's the candy company that makes snickers. Actual answer it's some fuck off start-up war criminal company somewhere in Montana.

Here's the throwback to the last time I posted about this fucking competition which funny enough was just over a week ago. I guess they really want to keep me in buisnees by putting out new news of the continual enshitification of the u.s military.

Anyways I'm gonna rip this from an article on the defense post.

Barrett Firearms and MARS Inc. have been selected by the US Army to deliver a next-generation precision grenade launcher, beating rival bidder FN Herstal in a push to upgrade infantry firepower.

I wonder why those companies won instead of FN Herstal? Is it because they had a superior product?

Barret and MARS jointly proposed a new 30mm grenade rifle system capable of rapid, precise engagements against enemy troops behind cover and drones at close range.

Hmmm.... nope, sounds more like a corruption case to slide some special people more tax dollars.

The system is portable, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, and features an integrated fire control system.

You'd think this actually sounds like a good idea until you realize it's fucking heavy for a man-portable armament and is probably gonna be as reliable as the mk.19.

While full specifications remain undisclosed, the weapon is reportedly based on the Squad Support Rifle, which fires 30×42mm grenades

Assuming the design carries over, the new launcher is expected to include a five-round magazine, weigh approximately 6.3 kilograms (14 pounds), and have an effective range of 500 meters (1,640 feet).

So both the M320 and older M203 model of underslung rifle grenade systems both had a 400m max range and they both weight around about 3 pounds. They're trading out slightly lower range and significantly less weight for making more pew-pew-pew. That's it. They can try to dress it up in techno-babble bullshit about what they want it to do, but at the end of the day it's a trade for reliability and portability for a theoretical increase of Firepower which I think is an actual net loss for Firepower for the standardized infantry squad.

According to the US Army, the Barrett–MARS team has been awarded $300,000 and was invited to advance to the program’s third phase, which will involve a proof-of-concept demonstration.

They got some sweet taxpayer dough for playing show and tell and now they actually gotta show it works.

Programmable Airburst Munitions

Beyond the launcher itself, Barrett also collaborated with AMTEC Corp. to develop a new family of 30mm munitions for the shoulder-fired weapon.

jagoff

The ammunition suite includes grenades with proximity and contact fuses, as well as rounds optimized for close-quarters combat.

More jagoff

AMTEC also developed airburst grenades with programmable fuses, enabling mid-air detonation for greater effectiveness against targets behind cover.

Believe it when you see it folks.

“This new ammunition family will have the full spectrum of capabilities required to achieve the US Army’s mission to provide overmatch on the modern battlefield,” Barrett Firearms noted.

What battlefield that is, everyone is unsure about but hey its great for the financial battleground of increasing shareholder profits.

‘xTechSoldier Lethality’ Competition

Muskrat ass sounding name.

The award was part of the army’s “xTechSoldier Lethality” competition, which invites companies to pitch innovative technologies to enhance soldier lethality.

Hey here's an idea, give everyone heavy fucking helmets with vr headsets for that halo hud bullshit. Give the troops herniated neck disks but let them feel cool about it.

The winning firm may receive up to $2 million in follow-on contracts.

GOTTA GET THAT BAG

The competition began in June 2023, with up to five companies receiving $15,000 each after submitting concept white papers. That pool was narrowed to three during a virtual pitch round, with only one company selected to advance to a final demonstration within six to 18 months.

Everyone gets a participation prize!

Unselected firms may still be invited to propose further development based on evolving army requirements.

If your design doesn't suck enough don't worry, there's always future opportunities to fuck shit up!

“This award highlights not only our technical capabilities, but the power of partnership, agility, and a shared mission,” said Ryan Krantz, Barrett Vice President of Business Development & Sales. “We’re proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US Army to deliver the next leap forward in soldier lethality.”

Shared mission of trying not to blow yourselves up while massacring defenseless children

What a fucking joke

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Communists would design a pro-material rifle.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

As an aside from this main article, I recently learned the US Army developed camo that didn't actually work after spending billions of dollars because Canadian and Marine Corps camo was copyrighted. Neither would share their patterns with the Army, so a legally distinct pattern was made with different colors used.

Meanwhile, non-NATO countries don't give a shit and use whatever camo works across all their branches.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Oh boy the uniform pattern bullshit is the stuff of legends

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Will I be able to full auto a 120 round mag grenade launcher tho

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Soz they only come in California legal 5 round magazines because woke

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

This very question is what got me into modding video games.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Don't they already have this shit? Didn't that barrel fed automatic shotgun have grenade rounds like, a decade ago

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

porky-happy "Pssh, 14 pounds isn't so heavy! And all of our testing on a stable platform with an elbow cushion show no correlation between weight and capability at all.

PS Don't you like how the futuristic design makes one reminiscent of desktop PCs from the 80s?"

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

They clearly want to make the Lawgiver from Judge Dredd.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Hey here's an idea, give everyone heavy fucking helmets with vr headsets for that halo hud bullshit. Give the troops herniated neck disks but let them feel cool about it.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Russia has begun to field a helmet-mounted laser warning system that can detect the presence and direction of infrared laser emissions. Similar systems are being developed elsewhere and will likely proliferate in the coming years. Experience in the war in Ukraine has shown that in some instances infrared emissions can give away positions as much as gunfire will.

This development is very interesting in light of a trend we are seeing with this and the NGSW program. The US military is developing infantry small arms that are largely reliant on the frequent use of infrared laser rangefinders. Given that future doctrines may require "laser discipline", it is possible though not guaranteed, that these new US systems may be a developmental dead end.

Also lol @ the fact theyve been trying this shit for 40 fuckin years and every time they just stick with 40mm bloop tube grenades. Zillions of dollars poured into this stuff and the latest hotness is issuing standalone UBGL systems to grenadiers, not laser blazing airbursting spaceguns. This shit doesnt even work out when its tripod mounted lol.

XM307 crew served automatic airburst grenade launcher, nasty stuff.

To be fair and balanced(tm) it should be mentioned that programmable 40mm grenades do exist and could be used with existing systems after some modifications. Things like that have been floated as potential anti-drone weapons but it doesnt seem like thats gone too far as of yet.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Given that future doctrines may require "laser discipline"

It already exists for night operations with the prevalence of rifle mounted laser sights. But I do see more future investment for day time detection systems to counter proliferation of ir range finders

I'd personally be more invested in figuring out how to make thermals more widely available and methods of countering thermals as well.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The wide availability of FLIR is practically inevitable at this point given how much cheaper and more compact the they've gotten. Countermeasures are taking a long time to catch up though.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

The ammunition suite includes grenades with proximity and contact fuses, as well as rounds optimized for close-quarters combat.

hmmm... nothing like having a misfire that arms the proximity fuse and the entire team gets yeeted before the round can be cleared and thrown about as far as a hand tossed hand grenade could be.

AMTEC also developed airburst grenades with programmable fuses, enabling mid-air detonation for greater effectiveness against targets behind cover.

Its gonna be a time fuse and a little parachute isn't it? bugs-stalin

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

$2 million dollar of follow-on contracts sounds hilariously low to R&D the implicit nearly auto-ranging airburst grenade launcher

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

All they gotta do is make sure they show it works under favorable self-determined lab settings that they can publish as official statistics then blame the soldiers doing field testing for not following the instructions manual.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

isn't this just the XM25 that the army already tried?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah but haven't you thought about the poor starving shareholders on wallstreet?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XM29_OICW

It goes back at least to the OICW.

That thing is decades older, and was also supposed to have a built in, magazine fed, programmable / variable distance / variable mode grenade launcher in it.

Uh big surprise, it was too fucking heavy and made no practical sense.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

seems too heavy and unnecessarily complex to combine the launcher onto the rifle

it should be a separate weapon

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

M79? Seems to bulky and unwieldy for use. You know what they'll love? A weapon that's slightly lighter than a bowling ball and is as wieldable as Barrett's .50 cal.

Shit now that I think about it, it's basically a sawed off Barrett M82 but altered to shoot nades.

Here's a video of a random boot shooting an M82 from a standing position. That's gonna be the squad designated grenadier. Hating every moment on the field. https://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/soldier-fires-barrett-50-cal-standing/1170809729001

Follow-up vid of some random guy also shooting from a standing position. Note that even though he's handling it like a champ his left arm was actually straining to bear the weight of the rifle and keep it steady. Now imagine that but you're trying to hit something relatively accurately

https://youtu.be/ApkT7Tifqe8?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Doesn't China have a grenade rifle?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Im a little late to the party on this one but there are a number of grenade rifles employed by the PLA.

Soldier aiming a QLU-11 grenade rifle

They have a series of 35mm magazine fed grenade launchers that acts as an infantry support weapon, posessing anti-materiel and anti-infantry capability. The most recent one is designated QLU-11 and it has a rangefinding optic that works with programmable airburst munitions as well as normal 35mm grenades.

A mannequin displaying a QTS-11 combination grenade launcher and assault rifle

The QTS-11 is more or less an analogue to the US OICW program. It has a single shot, bolt action 20mm grenade launcher paired with its own rangefinder mounted above what is ultimately a short-barreled QBZ-03. It is believed to be the lightest of these kinds of weapons at around 7kg/15lb fully loaded and the specialized optic attached. The nifty thing about these is that instead of having one high-tech round that does everything it has multiple ammunition types that include both programmable "smart" rounds and traditional "dumb" rounds. The optic pairs with a headset that allows the shooter to look around corners but it can be removed and used with iron sights. Some reports suggest that around 50,000 have been made and that they have been deployed with some mechanized infantry units, which would make it the most successful of the OICW-like weapons. However, I have some doubts about those reports because these rifles haven't been spotted very much, if at all since the mid-2010s. Personally? I think the whole concept has been shown to be a dead-end and that weapons like this just aren't useful enough to justify the downsides of weight, safety, and cost.

Xi Jinpeng aiming a QTS-11

also heres a picture of Xi jinpeng holding one

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Dunno, if it's an unwieldy 14 pounds I'll still call it as I call the u.s possible future choice.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Goddamn that is a chonky monkey

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

AMTEC also developed airburst grenades with programmable fuses, enabling mid-air detonation for greater effectiveness against targets behind cover.

Believe it when you see it folks.

I'm not sure if you're just implying this company is lying or it doesn't work in general, but they have had artillery and mortar rounds with this capability since WW1, of all the claims I could see them being able to do this at least.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is a fair point, however the programmable infantry airburst rifle concept runs into issues those don't, largely because of the mode of usage and size.

One of the problems with the OICW and XM25 systems was that fitting the electronics that would allow for the programming of the rounds meant there was less space for the explosive charge. Something like a 105mm artillery round would sacrifice a small fraction of the space for the same capability compared to say, a 25mm round. Unlike artillery, which is static when it is being used and fires a number of rounds at the same target, infantry airburst systems are used much more dynamically. They are expected to be banged around and have to repeatedly "re-zero" targets in rapid sucession.

Basically, it works in big guns because theyre big and the technology is matured, and it doesn't work all that well in small guns because theyre small and have additional design challenges.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I

1: generally don't think the average boot will be able to utilize the feature effectively in actual combat situations with a peer military force

2: am extremely skeptical that a profit seeking company won't in the name of trying to grift more money try to reinvent the wheel and deliver some sort of over-engineered bullshit that works like 1 out of 8 times.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It doesn't work, the xm25 was supposed to be able to use a range finder and program each round before firing, but they couldn't get the fuses to work right

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

which invites companies to pitch innovative technologies to enhance soldier lethality

Guess they should've specified whose soldiers, or maybe they were getting what they wanted when they hired Make America's Rifles Shittier

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