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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 247 points 1 year ago

I am moderately surprised that this didn’t have anything to do with Trump or Elon Musk. I was pretty curious what activist organization Erik Uden ran. But, the punchline wasn’t that, and was in the Mastodon replies.

Interestingly, two days before Oracle deleted my account and all servers associated with it, I publicly criticized Oracle's CEO in a viral post for promising dystopian AI surveillance technology to his investors.

https://mastodon.de/@ErikUden/113879369270806353

What a weird coincidence

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago

Sounds about right for Oracle. I worked for a company that got bought by Oracle, and the support ticketing system we used was owned by Salesforce. Now, Larry Ellison hates Salesforce. So everyone was told to eliminate use of all Salesforce software.

Only problem was the Oracle software they wanted me to switch to - Service Center - was terrible. It was designed for massive call centers, not my team of five. It had almost zero automation, and the UX was circa 1985.

So I had a meeting with the Service Center team to go over my concerns. One feature I needed was an autocomplete field for ticket macros. This let us quickly process messages in our workflow. And it was just an autocomplete field, something I'd built myself dozens of times.

The Service Center folks acted like they'd never seen anything like that. They said it would take a year to add that feature to their product, but management still said I had to switch. So my boss, who had my back, got it thrown up the chain of command at Oracle. And then again. And again.

After a year and a half of this, averaging about a meeting a quarter, I finally got on the phone with an EVP who asked a very good question: "How much is this costing us per year?"

"$5,000" I said

"Why are you wasting my time with this?" she said

"Good question" I said.

I ended up getting to keep my ticketing software. I don't know if Service Center has autocomplete fields yet.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

What a weird coincidence

There's a really good chance it IS coincidence. Oracle Cloud has a history of straight up deleting "always free" tier VMs and data in Oracle Cloud. This has been going on for years.

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[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago

Does that include permabanning the users too?

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago
[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I haven't done any extensive looking at his situation specifically, but your link is more confusing than clarifying. He originally said his access was revoked and all his data deleted, but in your linked post it says his access to was revoked, but his server is still running. Is he saying that his VM still exists, the OS still running, but someone logged into the OS and specifically deleted all of his data leaving the server intact? That doesn't sound likely, so I don't understand what his situation is.

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[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

What a weird coincidence

Those coincidences are going to keep happening unless you start Mario Brothering CEOs

[-] archonet@lemy.lol 45 points 1 year ago

Larry Ellison being a contentious, petty cunt? Must be a day ending in y.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the Oracle CEO was the original CEO asshole before the current batch became the new big thing. No that it means that he's actually deleting accounts left and right, but he's been a dick before it was cool.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 126 points 1 year ago

Honestly it's so annoying we just can't natively crossposting from mastodon and we have to keep using screenshots.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 25 points 1 year ago

Could someone reply with tagging the community?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

Sadly no. Replies don't open new posts

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

And even if they did, you can't reply from Lemmy. You can't even load the post from Lemmy. You'd need to use something that actually interface with Mastodon posts.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Would be cool if fediverse instances auto created a "Fediverse" topic/thread/etc that was only dedicated to federating ActivityPub things from other services.

Like I'd love to go to c/Fediverse or even something like c/Mastodon and c/Loops and whatnot to get some more content from within Lemmy

Edit: maybe f/Mastodon or ap/Mastodon for "Fediverse/ActivityPub" to differentiate them from the user made communities?

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[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago

Would be cool if there was a way to basically display a toot with mastadon-like formatting simply by linking it in Lemmy. Since it's all in the Fediverse it could even display the live number of likes, boosts, etc. and provide an easy link to the toot author's profile

[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a fantastic feature to add in. Linking the feds together to promote useage.

You have my support. I don't do twitter-like feeds (never got the appeal), but absolutely love the content on Mastodon. Having that content on my Lemmy feed would be golden.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

ORACLE: One Raging Asshole Called Larry Ellison

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

It's the problem with their "always free" virtual machines. Use too much, and they delete it for abuse. Use just a little, and they delete it for inactivity.

Those aren't free because Oracle is benevolent, but simply because probably they had a contract with Ampere to purchase millions of those arm server CPUs and they have vacancy

They're "free" in the hope that they will catch a whale: someone gets used to their infrastructure with a test, then spin more paid virtual machines

If in a specific datacenter, suddenly a whale is asking more resources, the free ones are getting the cut

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah but this guy said he was paying them, in this reply on Mastodon, and that in fact they didn't even stop the charge for next month.

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Not just oracle. Couple years ago Google nuked an Australian pension fund cloud environment with no way to restore. Just poof all data gone.

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago

That was mistake on Google part if I remember correctly, it wasn't intentional.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure Google did restore it, no? It was Google's fuckup, but there were backups.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

No, the org had their own backups because of compliance reasons.

[-] pero@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

As someone who had that misfortune to work woth their products, this tracks just great. Honestly. I've used their Apex and SQL developer. Both of them are unintuitive to use, inconsistent, lacking features, and just a complete resource hogs in their own ways. Makes me wonder how they are still keeping themselves afloat, considering the abhorrent state and quality their products are.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

This is exactly why you don't use anything from Oracle, especially free stuff like OCP. If you think you're not going to regret it eventually, you're fucking wrong.

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 29 points 1 year ago

a good reminder to back up your shit regardless of what service you're using.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago
[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Something about eggs in one basket.

[-] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Two baskets of eggs? Have you seen how much they cost?

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[-] Eyedust@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

My much brainier than me friend was telling me about the courses he was taking to apply to Oracle. I had to break it to him how far down they've fallen, and not to expect anything working for them. He's smart, but not in the right social channels like the Fediverse to see what the real people are saying.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

All of the tech people everywhere know about Oracle. You'd have to be actively avoiding the info, or be coming in from a completely different subculture at this point.

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[-] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Nice to know that they go above and beyond to uphold GDPR

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

We don't move your data across borders... Because we don't have it any more!

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Oracle cares so much about your privacy they delete your data before you even send a request.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Once had Optimum (the ISP) do this to a business I was working with. Just yeeted all their email accounts and their contents and all backups thereof one day. Declared it was because no user on the account was accessing their email via the webmail system so all the email was nuked for inactivity. IMAP and POP do not count, apparently.

Short version, do not use Optimum unless they are the only option, and if they are the only option seriously consider moving to fix that.

[-] kalleboo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I'm not a fan of victim blaming but who the heck thought it was a good idea to use Oracle to begin with??!??

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TikTok being forced to host on Oracle instead of Google/Microsoft all but confirms that Oracle is CIA Cloud.

[-] outerspace@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google, meta, apple, they all will do the same. I had it with vercel and ebay. This is corporations abusing their power, no accountability.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Historically, the only thing Oracle ever made which was good was their database, and even that is only worth it beyond a certain size of dataset and number of simultaneous requests being served.

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If one copy of all of your data is deleted, you should be able to recover it.

  • Maintain three copies of your data: This includes the original data and at least two copies.
  • Use two different types of media for storage: Store your data on two distinct forms of media to enhance redundancy.
  • Keep at least one copy off-site: To ensure data safety, have one backup copy stored in an off-site location, separate from your primary data and on-site backups.

https://www.veeam.com/blog/321-backup-rule.html

Someone that was following best practices would have regularly made a copy of their data and stored it somewhere that doesn't depend on anything Oracle does, since I'd consider depending on Oracle to store all of your data to be storing all your data at one site.

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

On the one hand, sure, oracle rep could have handled it better

But on the other hand...

The TOS do say you are only eligible to sign up once

Now, on the not telling you the reason why the shutoff happened, it's totally logical. No company will let you know what was the TOS violation to help you or others to avoid future detection and commit fraud. Anyone on IT knows this.

Not saying the guy did it, but apparently Oracle believes they did. It's the same as Google. One simple fuck up on an add in adwords and your account is screwed for life. Could be for the most innocuous of things, like a flag raised by usage patterns, or going to the extremes, a possible compromised instance got nuked preemptively

In any case always remember that the resources occupied in a free instance may and will be freed up when needed without warning.

And if stuff is THAT IMPORTANT, always go on prem , with at least two different providers for cloud services and backup

Also, read the terms of service. It's not that hard

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