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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

After Yoon's statement the military said activities by parliament and political parties would be banned, and that media and publishers would be under the control of the martial law command.

Yoon did not cite any specific threat from the nuclear-armed North, instead focusing on his domestic political opponents. It is the first time since 1980 that martial law has been declared in South Korea.

That's uh pretty explicit. Not quoted are two other key facts;

  • In South Korean law parliament can end Martial Law with a simple majority vote.
  • They did that vote immediately.
  • The Army "attempted" to take the parliament building but was rebuffed by staff members and fire extinguishers.

Y'all, those soldiers were not on board with this idea. And this is all vitally important because South Korea was a dictatorship for most of the cold war. This is absolutely an attempt to reinstate that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

*Kim Chonk Un calls Xi Jinping to secure a bulk deal on military-grade fire extinguishers*

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would that vote be held if the original Martial Law declaration banned Parliament from meeting? It seems like a gigantic loophole they need to close immediately before the president or a successor tries this again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Banning them, even under Martial Law is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Update via Reuters: the president says he'll abide by the parliament's decision and revoke his declaration. Nobody started obeying it anyway - the military tried to do something because they had orders, but was not enthusiastic enough to achieve anything.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korea-president-yoon-declares-martial-law-2024-12-03/

Some analysis via the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/03/declaration-of-martial-law-awakens-ghosts-south-koreans-thought-were-laid-to-rest

Yoon’s declaration of martial law appears to have been a desperate gamble in the face of rock-bottom public popularity – with positive ratings barely over 10% – in the midst of a doctors’ strike and staunch political opposition, increasingly including his own People Power party, whose leader, Han Dong-hoon, said the declaration of martial law was a “wrong move”.

Yoon may have thought that his nostalgia for authoritarianism would resonate with at least some of the South Korean political spectrum, but the unanimous vote in the national assembly to overturn his declaration, including by his own party, suggests he miscalculated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Dude broke the first three laws of Couping. Control the lawmakers, control the core of the military, control the media. Win these and you control the narrative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

So it was just a little try to get his country back to a dictatorship (with him at the top) because he was too unpopular.

There really should be laws that one must be psychically healthy to be parliament or president.

[–] [email protected] 172 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yoon cited a motion by the country's opposition Democratic Party, which has a majority in parliament, this week to impeach some of the country's top prosecutors and its rejection of a government budget proposal.

They declared martial law over a budget proposal??

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I've got to start reading Korean news

[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)
[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

My god they are so efficient. Whole thing lasted like 3 hours

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Don't hold you breath...

From BBC:

The South Korean military says it will maintain martial law until it is lifted by President Yoon Suk Yeol, despite the nation's parliament voting to block its enforcement, according to the country's national broadcaster.

[–] bdonvr 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Yeah this is 100% a power grab. AFAIK there’s nothing going on right now in SK at a national level that could possibly justify the declaration of martial law countrywide.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

As far as I understand, the president's decision might be void, since he was required to hold a session of the government before declaring martial law, but did not.

I predict that the military will consult their lawyers and stop enforcing it really soon.

I suspect the president either went insane or attempted some kind of a coup. His own party voting against his decision is a clear signal that it's a solo performance. He has no political backing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

No man rules alone

I suspect his presidency isn't much longer for this world.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean… if the military is behind the president (and it sounds like they just might be), this is just the beginning phase of a coup, wherein their legislature is taken out behind the shed.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. This possibility has been discussed for months now. Yoon framed the cuts to his proposed budget as an "act of sympathy to the North" in his speech.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Yoon said he had no choice but to resort to such a measure in order to safeguard free and constitutional order, saying opposition parties have taken hostage of the parliamentary process to throw the country into a crisis.

Not very familiar with the political situation in Seoul, but saying your political opponents are supporting North Korea sounds like a pretty serious accusation.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Basically, anyone who does not agree with him now is being labelled a North Korea sympathizer

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Taking inspiration from Netanyahu I see.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago

Standard authoritarian playbook, disgusting

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

I must say, this is a welcome change from the old antisemitism accusation. Now I have two cards in my hand.

If you disagree, you're a North Semitic antikorean. No wait.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Who had south Korea becoming a fascist state?

Do I hear bingo from the back?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll be honest I had South Korean oligarch class does ridiculous cult shit and causes headlines. Does that count?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Who had south Korea becoming a fascist state?

I don't read or speak Korean but maybe the president ran on making South Korea ~~Great~~ Fascist Again? South Korea only democratized in 1987.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yoon cited a motion by the country's opposition Democratic Party, which has a majority in parliament, this week to impeach some of the country's top prosecutors and its rejection of a government budget proposal.

Imagine declaring martial law, and these were the only concrete reasons you could come up with.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Donald Trump: hold my steak.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Is Martial law ever declared in a non-corrupt, power-grabbing way?

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Canada invoked the Emergencies Act in 2022 when the national capital was occupied by a convoy of antivaxers who shut down the city for days. There was some debate as to whether it was necessary and there was an inquiry afterward. The main reason for invoking it was to allow the federal government to use law enforcement since the Ottawa municipal police mostly sat on its hands during the whole debacle.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Also in Canada, the War Measures Act was used during the FLQ Crisis in 1970. While some may disagree with using martial law, I don't think many would say it was used in a corrupt, power-grabbing way.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Occasionally in response to things like floods and other disasters. Though then it's usually local and short lived.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (7 children)

We really are in WW3 we just haven't noticed it fully yet.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We're nearly at the end of the" Lead up to World War Three" chapter.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago

"Rising economic and social tensions in the West" heading on wikipedia

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