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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago

yeonmi-park And in bad country after a natural disaster caused by climate change the regime accelerated dead bodies are passed over for their national flag which takes priority.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is like an echo of that 9/11 shit where a cross-shaped piece of wreckage got the hogs oinking for years. joker-amerikkklap

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago

geordi-no Bush did 9/11

geordi-yes Jesus did 9/11 and left a cross as a calling card

jesus-cleanse 9/11

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Thinking back on it I'll always marvel at how the hogs could simultaneously hold these two thoughts in their head: "NYC is a liberal hellhole, a modern Sodom" and "we must transform into Super American Patriots 2 after WE were attacked by terrorists"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have reached the conclusion that holding mutually exclusive beliefs is a core feature of fascism. The only stable belief they have is the belief in their own supremacy and they will take up any other belief that advances their supremacy. History is full of such examples, when the Nazis were a small struggling party they were moaning about the freeze peach of Hitler, when they gained power they violently oppressed any dissenting speech. In my own country, without skipping a beat fascists transitioned from believing that banning corporal punishment of children was "monstrous socialism" to believing that Muslims are savages for beating their children, once they saw popular opinion had shifted.

Liberals will see this inconsistency of beliefs as a weakness, and think they are clever for making gotcha! clapbacks. They're not. Far from being a weakness, this slippery ideological flexibility is one of the strengths of fascism. Not only are fascists able to appeal to groups of people whose material interests are objectively antagonistic to eachother, believing everything and nothing at the same time makes them pretty much immune to liberal ideals of free democratic debate in the marketplace of ideas. You can't debate a fascist, if a belief is no longer opportune for them they will always have had the opposite opinion. At best trying to debate fascists is a waste of time, at worst it legitimises them and normalises their supremacist ideology.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean yeah Umberto Eco listed this in Ur-Fascism. Fascists are only concerned about power and the ends justify the means of acquiring said power. They revel in lying and being disingenuous.

Insert Levi Jeans polka satire quote here idk do we have a bot for that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think they're actually lying about their beliefs. At least not in a traditional sense of the word. Fascist leaders are as full of shit as any other bourgeois politician but I find it unlikely that everyone's racist uncle is deliberately weaving a web of lies to conceal his true power level. That is simply too much effort to put into it.

It is more likely that they actually believe what they say they believe, even though it is completely internally contradictory. They have a more or less conscious conviction that they ought to enjoy status and privilege above those who are not like them and as a consequence they gravitate towards adopting whatever position that advances this conviction because it feels good to them.

I don't know if there's much use for this kind of psychoanalysis but at least to me this is yet another argument why trying to talk reason to fascists is futile. They did not arrive at their fascism through reasoning but rather through gut feelings and half-realised opportunism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I think we're saying the same thing. Maybe "lying" is the wrong word? I think you're right that they say what makes them feel good. I think they know they don't have consistent beliefs but they try and rationalize this by whatever rhetoric they can.

I've just ran into too many fascists who became fascists through sheer contrarianism I guess lol

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Literally the stereotype of dumb prehistoric humans being so impressed by mundane natural phenomena that they start worshipping a tree branch or something for the rest of their life

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It will be retired from use.

This thing is virtually trash, even to the flag fuckers lmao

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Nazis had their blood flag, the YanKKKees can have their "mud flag." Same-same lol

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

The confederates had their "blood stained banner"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

No! It will be taken to a farm upstate where it can fly freely with all the other flags all day.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thousands of people are literally stranded

Let's stop and pick up this tattered cloth to make sure it's safe. amerikkka-clap

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

yeonmi-park if you don't stop to pick up flag and respectfully retire it with a prayer to ronald reagan and ghost of slavery, your mother and grandmother and great grandmother house will be ordered drone striked

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That flag had a family 😔

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

When an East India Company mommy flag lives another flag very much...

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago

moving moment

bowel moving maybe

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gotta nurse the flag back to good health so that it can go back to being good fuel for a firefreedom-hater

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You actually retire a flag by burning it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but respectfully.🤮

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

The American flag fetish is a trip.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

smuglord: “You are such a dumb, silly, childish ideology.”

marx-joker: “You’re the ideology that sees inanimate objects as more important than human life.”

doomjak

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

If you've ever walked through any vaguely chuddy neighborhood you'd expect American flags to be washed up like seaweed after a flood

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Well, that flag was no angel

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

kelly George Soulless

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

Guy yelled at me that it "wasn't the time" when I defended looting gonna ping him with this.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Moving."

Yeah okay dude, settle down before you throw your back out

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Do bowel movements count?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Simultaneously pathetic and disgusting

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Buncha primitive screwheads