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Like it's only so long until a user there posts a dumbass "Kick Tankies out of Lemmy" meme to try and start shit to get us defedded and hexbears take the bait immediately and pile on to tell them what a dumbass they are.

Like as dumb as the "death to NATO" being compared to "death to the people of NATO" stuff was, blahaj and hexbear are the largest queer instances and I quite like taking part in it and their trans communities, idk it's kinda nice to interact with people who don't have the same kind of hexbear brainrot where I see the words "pumpkin spice", "Maoist cult", "Soyfacing PMC radlib" or "rock stacking" and immediately start to go :sus: mentally, it feels refreshing to be able to talk to an incredibly queer positive community that doesn't have the same kind of internet poisoning as all of us. And it seems kind of assholy that some of the users here just don't give a shit and want to post and dunk until we get defedded by every instance, this isn't like lemmy.ca where they were all dicks that none of us liked anyway and were complaining about us doing hate speech against fucking landlords or lemm.ee where almost every time time a user from there pops their head into our threads here they say something racist or transphobic. iirc blahaj.zone was actually the second most requested instance to federate with in the pre federation discussions due to how good of a queer space it was.

Like their first defed thread was a complete embarrassment because there were a load of users there that actually had positive opinions towards us and then they saw the shitshow happening once from the post reaching active and changed to be way against us which tbh, fair enough.

Edit:
statements from the head mod Ada:

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

After that "people of NATO" bullshit, I don't see the administrative team (the admins and mods collectively) of blahaj operating in good faith. My comment about the bad faith that other instances engage in applies as much to blahaj as the other instances like lemmy.ca. If they truly believe in the vision and strategic goals of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, they can just say so without hiding behind some ridiculous excuse. I'm sure Stoltenberg and various other generals in command of a giant military are quaking in their boots about some obscure website wishing for their collective deaths.

Most of the users seem to be cool enough, but the administrative team is a major obstacle, and frankly, I do not like it and do not believe it is fair that we have to change our behavior while they don't have to do shit. How is this fair? We have a stickied "Amendments to the Code of Conduct regarding the Fediverse" issued by an admin, so what have they done in return? Apparently, our admins went out of their way to delete a post for their sake, so when are their admins going to delete the "fuck tankies" banner on their largest and most active comm? And this will not be the end of it, mark my words. They'll demand more and more, ever slowly chipping away at what makes Hexbear Hexbear. If they want to demonstrate that they're operating in good faith, they need to compromise as well.

But I'm already wasting my time. In the second of meta discussion on blahaj about Hexbear (which I will not link because that would be bRigAdInG), everyone is giving the same tired excuses (tankies, emote spam, Ukraine) about why they want to defed from us. It's going to happen one way or another. I just wish the admins here didn't have to humiliate themselves in the process.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (55 children)

their banner image literally says "fuck tankies"

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

as cringe as it is that blahaj.zone hosts an explicitly anti-communist comm for a community half full of chasers, blahaj zone as a whole is pretty cool and i wouldn't like to see it defedded

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whining about brigading and NATO are clear signs of terminal Reddit brainworms, so I'm not very optimistic about the long-term prospects for federation

But more than that, creating special rules for their weird Vaushite shitposting instance is not it imo

Frankly I was against federating with shitjustworks because they host an explicitly anti-communist comm and I'm having trouble seeing why I should feel differently about blahj

Edit: Just saw their new meta discussion on Hexbear, which despite not having a single comment from us is still full of whining, crying liberals

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago

trying to retake r/196 years after was taken over by vaushits is cringe, it's an old meme, let it die

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They will probably find a reason to block us no matter what we do tbh

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Based on what their admin Ada has actually said she's willing to put up with us a bit because she really does want to help builds a sense of trans solidarity between the two major trans instances so I feel like that's mischaracterising her a bit. If she just wanted to find an excuse to defed us she would have done it over the shitshow in the previous defed thread.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If that's true, why were we defederated?

Edit: also, it's really fucking telling on themselves that they would rather federate with Nazis than with us. Not to mention the clear contempt for hexbear, even when ostensibly trying to mend ties.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hadn't seen this prior to posting in this thread and it does soften my view a lot. Supporting trans people across the lemmyverse is more important than yelling at obnoxious libs.

Maybe we can get Hexbears to agree to some kind of cease-fire thing and agree not to engage with politics on Blahaj? Idk how that would work, given the consistent failure of Liberals to support and protect trans people. That seems like it would be an inevitable point of conflict.

Might I suggest adding these to the main post so more people see them? This is important context that I didn't have when I first posted and it might change other people's views.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't believe it for a second. We were defederated for no real reason. They allow explicit anti-communism. These are just words. They'll defederate you the first chance they get. Then they'll release a statement like "well, we tried, but those tankies were just too evil".

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I blocked c/196, because I absolutely don't trust myself not to see some anticommunist bullshit and go in guns blazing. They have "fuck tankies" in their comm banner, which I take as a sign that it's very much not a space for me, so you know what? Fine. I don't have to be there. The rest of blahaj.zone seems pretty cool, I like that it's an explicitly queer instance, but c/196 seems like a bad idea and I just don't want to deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same, I saw "fuck tankies" in the banner and that makes it very clear it's not a space for anyone left of Joe Biden.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They defed Lemmygrad instantly. Hell I posted a meme "weed this weed that how about you weed Lenin" and got banned for "supporting Mao" or something, check the modlog lmao.

Aparently that's what constitutes brigading for them, posting commie memes. Whatever you guys are doing is much more than what we did lmao

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And they're that hostile not to our conduct, but to critical, limited support for countries they don't like based largely on either pure vibes or a highly propagandized version of history. To me it seems very likely that we'll be defederated sooner or later due to their ideological brainworms brainworms brainworms regardless of what we do. Shitposting and dunking will certainly hasten that, but eventually one of the admins is going to see one too many "for fucks sake no one got tank jellied in June 4th" posts and decide that we're red fash 1982 septic tank commies and defed us because... they're anti-Communist, anti-Left, liberals.

Edit; Reading Ada's statement has changed my view on this. I don't know how to practically accomplish it, but please read Ada's comment that has been added to the top post. I think maintaining detente with another large trans space is important if we can find a way to do it.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Any excuse will do. While there's been some aggro behavior, I got accused of attacking/insulting someone just for being against corporate pride

Libs really hate being told that the horizon of what they could be doing is wider than what they are doing, and take it as an insult.

They also don't seem to realize the irony in getting offended by that but also telling someone that all their work is for naught and better things aren't possible

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Simple solution: allow defederation from single communities and block 196 for everyone, because the memes there have never been anything but incredibly cringe.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most of them don't seem to like Hexbear in general so idk how this is going to pan out

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like it. But I was also a regular on /r/Chapo before it was nuked.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like you guys lots ❤️

I hope you don't get disappeared by our Sharky State. Your memes can border on rancid but mostly I'm into it 😎

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Idk, the admin Ada does seem to genuinely want to some form of trans solidarity between the instances, and she's said she's willing to put up with some of our bullshit as long as we're not too abrasive over there

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

WHAT IF THERE WERE A MYSTERIOUS "THIRD WAY"?

But for serious, I get the feeling that someone might need to make an instance for people who want to post on both. It could even be queer themed. I just don't see hexbear being able to rein it in enough to avoid the inevitable, and personally I like the dirtbag culture as it is.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Many of these "I don't want to get defederated" posts are essentially asking for a complete 180 on the site culture; Stop posting so much. Stop responding to posts. Stop bullying liberals. Stop using emojis. Stop dismissing bad faith arguments and outright lies with PPB.

That's not what Hexbear is. I like your solution of a bridge instance, but beyond that the solution is likely that people who want to view anti-Leftist, anti-Communist instances need to make separate accounts on those instances.

Edit: I read Ada's (from Blahaj) posts and I have to temper my statement - I do see the value in maintaining ties with another major trans instance and making some adjustments to make that possible is a worthy thing to do. Please check out the statements, they've been added to the original post.

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