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OK this is my list. But first, I need to say that this isn't a condemnation of those into such thing. They just don't vibe with me.

  1. Cannot get into ASMR. I've tried. Often its women 20 years younger than me, rubbing their fingernails on hairbrushes. The intentional sounds they make with their lips and fingers are things that would make me want to change seats on a bus.
  2. Instagram. I was maybe the last person to get a smart phone. It was probably 2016. I'm just fully lazy to take photos of stuff. This is a real issue when I'm single and I need to start putting photos on dating sites, as all pics of me in my phone are me squeezing carrots in my nostrils and similarly goofy things.
  3. My students' taste in anime. I try to be all cool and show off my cool taste in anime, maybe drop a Azumanga Daioh clip. It's all ancient history for 17 year olds.
  4. Photo and videos done in portrait mode. I guess I don't watch videos on the go. See #2

Things that the kids these days do better:

  • Usually better opinions on current events than people my age
  • I wish that cosplay existed when I was a teen. The default when I was younger was drugs.

If anyone insults the kids, I will visit you at your home and do an adventure-time

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago (23 children)

obsession with streamers. I literally cannot wrap my head around the appeal of watching another person that isn't an actual friend play a videogame.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Community

Almost always there is a chat feature, and many successful streamers interact with that community live. For an old-folks reference, it's not very different from MTV's Total Request Live where part of the appeal was interacting with the hosts.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

YES I ALWAYS EXPLAIN THIS PART WHEN TALKING TO BOOMERS ABOUT IT.

Like imagine you could be in a chat room cheering for the Eagles playing football with everybody else who was watching the game? That would be fun as hell and the trash talk/ insight is enjoyable

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think it's really a reflection of the social conditions of our generation. Gen X chuds are a certain brand of paranoid and self absorbed, and generally made bad parents. Many western parents stopped letting their children participate in things outside the house because they were terrified their kid would get kidnapped. So instead, kids made friends with random people on the internet. So watching a stranger play Pokemon really doesn't feel like much of a stretch for me.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (10 children)

The way kids have been semi-systematically confined to their homes makes me simmeringly furious.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

parasocial relationships

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

It is fun to see a person you find interesting do a thing you like. Usually they are pretty good impov type comedians. Plus TV has always been way worse on average.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Usually better opinions on current events than people my age

I'd even say that young people today have better opinions on current events than people my age had when they were their age. Most late Gen Xers were always awful about politics, just pure end of history garbage. We're the generation that grew up with AES being replaced by Pizza Hut and shock therapy, and the kids these days grow up with the planet being set on fire by capitalism, so this shouldn't surprise anybody.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

2020 radicalized my mom and her politics now are “let the streets run red with the blood of the bankers” and she just sorta assumes I know what I’m talking about but we still frequently find new anti-communist brainworms just because the shit she was taught growing up is absolutely insane.

People talk about how Gen Aloha isn’t learning how to read and that’s a problem but fuck, Gen X got no history education whatsoever, they just threw a bunch of McCarthyism into the history shaped hole in the curriculum.

She listened to blowback season 4 and was blown away, she had absolutely no idea what happened in Korea

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

gen aloha lmao

Hawaians am i rite

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Video tutorials.

Just give me some damn written instructions I don't retain anything from watching someone else do it 😣

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Software tutorials especially. Even worse are the ones that are screen recorded off a 4K desktop so that unless you're also watching the video at 4K, you're not gonna be able to see where the mouse cursor is because the compression makes it almost invisible.

I wouldn't blame it on the current generation, though. People my own age do this shit too.

I shouldn't complain too much because it's free tech support and they're making these videos for no money , and probably for a program that I pirated.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago

The kids seem mostly fine. They probably don't understand quite how extraordinary the pressure is on them compared to even just 25 years ago. I'm very concerned about how their math skills are developing, but I think that has something to do with how much schools have fallen apart and/or turned into performance pressure cookers. They're kinder than previous generations, and honestly it's surprising to me that they are because of how fucked society is around them.

I don't get their humor, but I assume it's very funny if you're in the know.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I'm early Gen Z and the thing I kinda dislike is how shameless this generation is.

Anime is a good example. It used to be a niche thing for nerds that you were kinda ashamed of outside of Studio Ghibli, but now it's really mainstream. That's all well and good but then you have some people with hentai stickers on their school laptop. Instead of adopting anime as a medium, we adopted the worst forms of otakuism. Instead of mass adoption tempering the worst aspects, it appears to have emboldened them instead.

I also know some people who go around sfw anime cons and pay women to step on them in public. When I said this was kinda weird, I was the one in the friend group that got flack. Gen Z is more willing to embrace their weird habits but some stuff should be done at home or with private groups.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

This is definitely something that should be taken seriously. I went to a tattoo shop a few years ago with my wife and her brother. The artist doing my tattoo had a few pictures of his work posted and I didn’t think anything of it, but when I finished up and was waiting for my brother in law to finish up I noticed that his artist had just straight hentai posted on the walls of his area. And no they did not look of age.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've noticed this too, I got a younger Gen Z coworker and the dude straight sits in the break-room blasting the nastiest anime at full volume on his phone, no earphones, the worst dub you've heard in your life, and me trying to drink my club soda in peace while browsing twitter and hexbear and listening to the squeakiest anime girls moaning, sighing, oooing and aaahing.....like my nephew in Christ, outer-ear headphones are a thing BUY THEM plz

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

pay women to step on them in public

it's weird af and should be banned but also you should be thankful you don't know what other fucking weird shit they ask.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, younger people today seem pretty alright. One thing in particular is that is seems bullying in school seems way less tolerated than it was back in the day. I mean, I'm sure lots of bullying still goes on but back in the 90s it was not only pretty brutal and pervasive, but it was generally not seen as something that required intervention and it was "just part of growing up".

One thing I really don't get though - and maybe this is just more a local thing - but it seems like the kids are really into Sublime. I don't get it, I didn't like their music when they were first popular and while they had a hit or two, they weren't anywhere near as popular with my peers than they are today, it seems to me.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Funny enough, I was really into Sublime in the late 90s. I listened to it again last year and it felt so cringe, so fake, and so poser-y.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is true. I am doing uni now with zoomers and it feels a lot safer. I am far more at ease now even though I am ancient compared to them and have a long history of being bullied. Noticed this when I did substitute teaching as well.

They also call you out on things like putting yourself down for your work just in case, a very gen X thing. And have also informed me that dating apps aren't really used anymore and people prefer in person connection more again, they are organizing a lot of get-togethers.

Also drinking. I am from a generation where getting shitfaced in a concert was supposedly "fun". Or heavy drinking in general. My kid and his friends genuinely prefer going to events sober or with light drinking, same with uni stuff. I mean they still drink, but not nearly as much. And non-drinking stuff is popular too.

Also openness to vegan food. It's a total non issue to make and eat vegan in an event. Go back ten years and even millenials I feel have far more brainwormy takes on "but muh meats!".

Edit. Now that I got going with the praise a few more things came to mind that I admire genuinely:

Far more principled takes on politics. Even things like boycotting I have noticed they follow through long term.

Making value based choices and sticking to them. Like buying clothes second-hand. Far less treat brained paradoxically. Often buying one good thing that will last years.

I know people keep saying the youngest generation is always most progressive, but I disagree. I have seen my own youth and been told about my parents hippie youth and neither ever actually engaged with anything more than being libs about the things. Or knew anything.

The kids these days are in a fundamentally different position with all the crisis and late stage capitalism. And the internet has made them aware of things in ways no generation before has been.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (21 children)

I still don't get Twitch or watching people play games. It's just hours of unedited content to me

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

Unedited gaming videos are so terrible. "Oh sorry guys... give me a minute... oh I'm stuck".

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Old guy here. I've come to enjoy watching leftist twitch on my second monitor while I work/slack off. While I've long been an advocate for Palestine, I've learned a lot more about both Israel and Palestine from watching Hasan Piker. Sometimes the streamer drama can get pretty annoying though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Same. My kid introduced me to Hasan, it was a step in my path out of my lifelong liberal brainworms. I owe the younger generation a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (9 children)

This isn't new per se, but much more mainstream now: fandom

I love art and there's tons that I'm passionate about but like, the whole "obsessing over a character and writing fanfic and getting into fights over ships, etc." and stuff is a completely alien mindset to me. Don't get it

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Saw a group of about 12 bro kids, they were all wearing sandals, pink boat shorts and white button up short-sleeves with the 'Edgar' haircut I've only really seen online prior. Bros have gotten off popped collars and fauxhawks but the update gives the exact same vibe. So I hate that but also hated how those same people dressed when I was younger and just overall just don't like that genre of guy

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is a real issue when I'm single and I need to start putting photos on dating sites, as all pics of me in my phone are me squeezing carrots in my nostrils and similarly goofy things

Unironically would make me more likely to swipe yes.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As somebody who fits best in the zoomer archetype:

Cannot get into ASMR. I've tried. Often its women 20 years younger than me, rubbing their fingernails on hairbrushes. The intentional sounds they make with their lips and fingers are things that would make me want to change seats on a bus.

I really understand this. I'm not massive on ASMR but there are a couple I think do a pretty good job. I gravitate towards the more non-sexual stuff and higher-concept, higher-effort stuff, and tend to avoid anything that's too intimate because it makes me very uncomfortable as an aro.

Instagram. I was maybe the last person to get a smart phone. It was probably 2016. I'm just fully lazy to take photos of stuff. This is a real issue when I'm single and I need to start putting photos on dating sites, as all pics of me in my phone are me squeezing carrots in my nostrils and similarly goofy things.

I also don't use Instagram or really any phone apps like that. I only have a Whatsapp for work. My opinion of TikTok has changed from "I have no idea what's going on there and want nothing to do with it" to "Hm, maybe it actually does have some potential if the US wants to get rid of it" but I still will never download it, just very uninterested.

I feel like I'm an odd zoomer as I don't really use social media beyond Hexbear and checking my twitter for ~10-20 minutes per day for geopolitical news, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very large minority of zoomers who also not plugged into this stuff and we just find it difficult to find each other because, uh, that would usually require social media nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm an older millenial and watching the evolution of social media, oof. When facebook first happened twenty years ago I was in college. It was so cool! Your friends could post about what they were doing, and you could post! It was like an AOL chatroom, but persistent. There were no ads, no stories, no algorithm. Just posts from people on your friends list, in the order they were posted. That's all. It was almost totally unprecedented to have this presence, this ability to communicate what you were thinking and doing, when you weren't face to face or on the phone with someone. Prior to FB your options were, like, what, putting an actual paper note on your dorm room door, or on a white board. If you weren't in a dorm? Good luck, no one knew anything about anyone unless they saw them regularly or called them regularly. I guess we had internet forums, too, but that was limited to whether your friends were on the same forums as you.

Now we've got the gram, and it's a completely utterly different thing. Or Tiktok. I genuinely like the idea of tiktok. I've always been excited about, I guess you could call it the democratization of television. Prior to the internet the only way to transmit cheap visual media was public access TV. In the early days of the internet sharing video required resources most people didn't have. youtube was a huge innovation in what was possible. And now Tiktok is just like, super accessible and easy. It's got issues because it's engineered to be an attention trap, but the concept, visual media that anyone can create and share, is very cool.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

yeah, it just feels like social media now isn't merely posting, it's the experience of watching yourself posting. submitting yourself to the panopticon willingly. I think your early Facebook experience might actually kinda match what Hexbear is now, at least in the general megathreads, albeit with necessary anonymization.

I have a complicated relationship with the concept of creating a "brand" around oneself because of what I just said. on the one hand, it can feel nice to be this known quantity on the internet, even if it's in the most limited way possible. the phenomenon of recognizing others and yourself being recognized by others on different platforms might be a nightmare in terms of opsec but there's a certain euphoria there too. on the other hand, it feels like a total capitulation to capitalism and online surveillance and the most harmful forms of western individualism; treating merely having opinions as this revolutionary act but totally disconnected from changing anything. many personalities I see online have this desire for a social media brand, to be promoted from Screaming Into Void to Screaming Into Loyal Fanbase. it seems a big change from the early internet you describe, which seems more Screaming Into Friends (more accurately described as "a nexus of close, reliable friendships and/or romantic interests" I suppose)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Most of the stuff I don't 'get' comes from really good places.

Like, I don't get all the hyper-specific labels for gender and sexuality, but I'm so glad we live in a time where people are able to actually talk about that sort of thing openly.

Same with mental illness. I'm always baffled when young people will just tell yme they have autism or anxiety or ADHD or whatever because when I grew up that sort of thing was so stigmatized you never told anyone. It's a good baffled though. Like, go you for saying that. Don't say it at a job interview, but go you for saying it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

Not really. They're little weirdos, but not much differently than any other generation of little weirdos.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'll build on your 2nd and 4th ones. I truly do not understand the appeal of the TikTok aesthetic. Vertical video is already really ugly. But now we're doing incredibly bad green screen of a floating head talking at me like I'm holding up the self-checkout line at a grocery store. And then the auto subtitles that I cannot turn off that change colors or some other nonsense rather than focusing on readability that are autogenerated and contain numerous errors (subtitles are very good, but should be VTT or the like files that can be turned on and off so the platform can place them properly on the screen). Then there's just an ugly UI laid over it along with seeing reactions pop up on screen further just making a mess of styles and crowding the screen.

I feel like some old guy that loves paintings seeing these new fangled moving pictures everyone is talking about and not understanding how anyone can willing fry their attention span on them.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Whatever "Roblox" is. Whenever I see or hear about it, it strikes me as some sort of scam or something. I think it's some sort of game engine? But seemingly way more proprietary than any other?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a game engine and platform for user-created multiplayer games, targeted at children, with microtransactions.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

targeted at children, with microtransactions

disgost I was right not to like it ...

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The kids are all right, siri play the Offspring

I know so many younger people who are trendy and hip and wayyy too online, people obsessed with short form content, I guess it stems from twitter? Snapvhat stories, vines, shit you make, is seen once, and then its gone (but theres no privacy involved and meta harvests all the data, and I've seen communities around mr tear themselves apart on fucking instsgram instead of talking to people, wait thats it! these damn kids wont make a phonecall ~my grandchildren wont call me~ sorry dear, what was I saying? lol)

grumble grumble

I've been terminally online since i was 14 but it was out of necessity from being isolated and having no irl people to bond with, it feels like people are doing it deliberately now, I feel for them.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I can't really think of anything aside from TikTok or other short form video scroll thingys. How did this video format become so popular? I try scrolling through tiktok and I can feel my brain melting from how erratic and all over the place all of these videos are.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Why the heck do people my age and younger all universally use phones for everything? It sucks.

Just browsing on a phone alone weirds me out. I work in tech, my phone is fairly modern and sizeable, I'm not even that old, but I simply can't get on with it.

  • Phones are almost always slow to load, ugh
  • 95% of people don't use Firefox + Adblock so it's full of shitty ads and I don't even know how to use the internet with ads anymore
  • Touchscreens are never precise enough to touch small buttons (and I have dainty fingers),
  • So many sites have a 'mobile-friendly' version that often lacks functionality I need. A big percent of website visits on my phone require me to use 'Desktop mode'.
  • Typing into stuff requires the on-screen keyboard, which takes a minimum 40% of the screen, so I can't see and type at the same time.
  • Screen tiny.

I do browse on my phone, but holy hell do I hate it. Why does anyone prefer it ever when there's a choice? Is it just because I have a dedicated ergonomic desktop setup? But even then I'd prefer using my laptop on my bed any day of the week before being confined to my phone.

And don't get me started on using any mobile OS other than Lineage. The amount of undisableable notifications makes me cry.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am an early 00s baby so I can give you some insight on a couple of those things. First, I like ASMR, but it has to be really specific. There are only a few creators I watch and I only watch specifically sci-fi or medical roleplay. I have no idea why these are the only videos that work for me, but they are. But when they work, they feel great. I get a really relaxing tingly feeling in my head, like when you're a kid and your parent is scratching your head. It's definitely weird but it works for me. I can't explain it.

I use Instagram loads, but only really to look at memes and talk with my friends. I don't post much, and most of my friends don't post much either. My feed is 95% shitposts and 5% cooking videos.

Anime is so popular and moves so fast now, and has so much support, in comparison to the 90s when a lot of it would never get an English dub or sub. There's always gonna be a few popular battle shonen - it used to be Bleach and Naruto, then Attack on Titan, now it's Jujutsu Kaisen and My Hero Academia. But there's also so many seasonal anime that asking someone "do you watch anime" actually doesn't tell you much about their tastes.

I always take my photos and videos in portrait because I guess that's the best way to look at them on a phone. I never turn my phone sideways because it's easier to scroll in portrait.

Also, a lot of people are saying that Gen z are a lot cooler than our predecessor politically. That may be true (idk I wasn't there when you were young), partially because we grew up in a post cold war, post 9/11, post 2008 crash world, but also partially because of the movements which came before us. I would say most young people are very good on LGBT issues specifically, and I think that's in large part thanks to the especially vocal movements of older queer people who came to the forefront as we were growing up. We were more exposed to gay and trans people in a positive light, thanks to a lot of millennials.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Also, a lot of people are saying that Gen z are a lot cooler than our predecessor politically.

This is what's said about every young generation. I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything, but young people being more progressive than previous generations has been a staple of the US since at least the 1950s. Boomers were at one point considered radicals who threatened to overthrow all of society. It's what got said about Gen X too and Millennials.

Progressive young people tend to either acclimate or die off, but we still gotta have hope. I really hope younger folk can get it together and decide on a better future.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

You made me realize I haven't really interacted with anyone between 16-30 in a long time.

My nephew is into fortnite and roblox. In my day we played more competitively oriented games like quake or counter strike (I'm young enough that those were a thing) and I don't get the appeal of the newer games.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm young enough that those were a thing

I have bad news for you. I-was-saying

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Back in my day, I played the original counterstrike when it was just the most popular half life mod you could install. And we put an onion on our belt, because that was the style at the time.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

20-somethings seem to be a lot less into drugs and alcohol which is great, definitely a positive change, but I don’t get it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah way man, I'm gonna keep rocking forever, forever, forever...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was maybe the last person to get a smart phone. It was probably 2016.

Nope, that's me. Never had one. gigachad

Generally I have less problem with the yutes than I do with my own age cohort. Most of my contemporaries have let life and circumstances beat them into submission and now they care about property values and are aghast at the very idea of public transportation. Kill the suburb inside your head, late-30s people!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (14 children)

I tend to like the young folk and identify with them way more than people my age, not in a creepy way I hope. Probably because I don't have kids and am terminally online. I'm optimistic about everything. I don't think there's anything about younger people I fundamentally don't understand.

I don't get sending huge amounts of money to streamers, but I also don't have huge piles of money to throw around.

I actually like how younger people are going more minimalist in their fashion taste. Lots of reappropriation of stereotypical work clothes, like Dickies pants, overalls, stuff like that. That's a neat trend I've noticed.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)
  1. ASMR as well.
  2. Some of the Music, mainly stuff like Semetary. Also the incredibly short songs sometimes throw me a bit.
  3. Some of the memes just go over my head so much.

Otherwise I think the kids these days are great. Have learnt so much from them, about drawing boundaries, neurotypes, gender. I am very happy to be the parent of one of these younger humans, they make the best comrades.

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