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[–] [email protected] 98 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Trump also ordered a few coup attempts that we'll learn about soon enough.

People need to stop acting like he was "at least good in terms of foreign policy."

They never are.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Qasem Solemani yea

Most ppl forgot about that because covid came soon after.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I could very easily see Hilary pulling this trigger (or Obama or Bush for that matter).

If anything, I suspect Trump mismanagement of the occupation probably was what opened up diplomacy with Iran wide enough to convince Solemani that a visit was possible. The bombing (of Iraq's own airfield!) was just Trump trying to slam the door shut after the horse had left.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I could very easily see Hilary pulling this trigger (or Obama or Bush for that matter).

Obama had reached a diplomatic agreement with Iran on their nuclear program; Trump was a big step backwards there, as he was on Cuba. Even with the DPRK I don't think anything substantive materialized.

Looking at everything reasonable in Trump's favor, he was just as bad as Obama on foreign policy. "He was actually OK there" has always been more contrarian than anything.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 8 months ago (2 children)

few coup attempts

Off the top of my head... Venezuela, Cuba, Hong Kong? I'm sure there are more.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago

Right, I forgot about that one hide-and-seek

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I just assume the CIA brings any president paperwork for this kind of stuff and says “sign this or you’re dead.” Like there will never be an American president that doesn’t do this kind of stuff. American foreign policy is inherently hostile by nature.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

feel like they screen candidates well enough that they don't have to threaten them.

for trump they could be like "hey wanna order some cool guy james bond shit?" and he'd involuntarily get sharpie everywhere

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only way he's "good in foreign policy" is by taking America's mask fully off and showing the world the ugly truth. Whether they believe it or not is up to them

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

I know many Chinese people that turned very anti-American after 2015 to 2016.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (62 children)

I'm not aware of anyone here that says Trump was "good" on foreign policy. The critique is that he's a substantially less effective steward of the imperial machine and even does accidental propaganda work against it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (20 children)

The nicest thing you can say about Donald Trump is that he's completely mercenary.

He'll turn on a dime if he sees advantage in a position and there's nobody he won't stab in the back given half an opportunity.

Biden is a fixture of US Foreign Policy. Trump is a Wild Card.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 8 months ago (4 children)

LOL Isn't this what China was supposedly doing with TikTok?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I was wondering why every second video I watch is just some guy reading Mao's Little Red Book and calling me a lib

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago

What China's supposedly doing with TikTok is owning a 1% stake in the private company that made it. Everything else is baseless speculation.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago

Every accusation is a confession

[–] [email protected] 88 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

The effort, which began in 2019, has not previously been reported.

Source: Gallup

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Hey that’s weird, opinion is mostly unchanged for like 30 years, then in 2018 it just becomes net positive, and then immediately after it unfavorability jumps sky-high. Surely just a coincidence.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This sucks so much that propaganda is so effective on people in the US. Like, I know not-immune-to-propaganda but I would still hope that sentiment isn't that malleable over a couple years. amerikkka

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago

thats wild, holy shit

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is this a poll of Americans? I don't think Chinese people have an approval rate of 15% of their own country.

The reported CIA activity occurred in China.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It is a poll of Americans, yes. I did see that the CIA activity occurred in China and I get what you're saying, I just refuse to believe that the goal was only to cause internal chaos in China.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Russia and China have troll farms. America has teams of operatives.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 8 months ago (1 children)

2019 is the year the Winnie the Pooh shit started.

Call me crazy but I have never thought that shit was organic "from Chinese people on their internet". This makes me even more suspicious about its origins.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There was a meme passed around on Weibo, but it wasn't the same meme the west uses at all, and wasn't even censored to my knowledge. The west just made up a story whole cloth about Xi Jinping banning Winnie the Pooh and just expected people to never fact check it (they didn't.) I think it may have been a kind of "testing the waters" thing, they wanted to see how much they could get away with, they started pushing the Xinjiang stuff much more heavily shortly after, so it's likely they were seeing if people would believe an obvious and easily disprovable lie before moving onto their big lie.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

According to the KYM research the meme heavily predates 2019, however it does mention a 2019 "resurgence".

This resurgence is where the cia lies imo.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they rarely make things up by themselves, they just take existing shitty ideas that serve their purposes and give them a megaphone. That way it gives them plausible deniability.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's worth noting that this wouldn't be necessary if the government of China didn't have broad support and legitimacy.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dumbass Chinese liberals ate it up too. Right-Wing west fetishists are lower than worms.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

Shanghai syndrome

[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How much of the so-called "authoritarianism" of communism would cease to exist if capitalism simply...allowed other economic systems to coexist?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

All of it, but if capitalism allowed socialism to flourish without constantly trying to destroy it, the people in capitalist countries would see how much better socialism is and revolt.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I decided to see what the sinophobic den of reddit-logo has to say about this, and unsurprisingly most of the libs there try to act like it's nothing, and totally normal. (Except when Russia or China does it in their eyes, then it's bad) On r/neoliberal they're more concerned about this being public than the actual operation itself. I saw them calling it an "extremely uncommon Trump W". No surprise there, I suppose. Despite their theatrical opposition to Trump, they support all this sort of scummy shit, as long as it's done silently in the background and with a dose of decorum. Fucking scumbags. barbara-pit

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Always a self admission when US officials accuse other states of trying to influence the American state through media

[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How well did all that US worship go for them?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago

the west attacks you and calls your self-defense authoritarianism

[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago

Looks like a classic case of accuse others that which you are guilty of wrt TikTok.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And some dumb libs fell for it. I'd bet a lot of this was also pushed on Western social media too, where it would have the greatest effect on the more rabidly pro-war, anti-Chinese racists.

I fucking hate America.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

Prager and the DOD have accounts on Chinese social media lol

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