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[-] [email protected] 89 points 1 week ago

Is there a reason why they wouldn't want him reading the shooter's manifesto? "Antisemitism"? Its not like its not out there for anyone to read. Doesn't make any sense, but I have a feeling it might just be a combination of things including how some people have blamed him for informing the shooter's vews.

[-] [email protected] 97 points 1 week ago

i think there's a pattern developing of twitch responding to external pressures against him by banning him for a sunday and then unbanning him at night so he can do the regular news coverage on monday. which is to say, i don't think they're actually responding in any meaningful way on the basis of any particular actual reason like "antisemitism" or "terrorist support." they don't care that he'll be beleaguered by fascists on those grounds when they ban him for a day for this purpose, but i think they see it as a pressure release valve that lets them still make money on him for now.

[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago

This is a good sober analysis but I think there is another reason too: The manifesto is very level headed, grounded, and well reasoned.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

I do also think that those pressuring the platform are themselves motivated by the broader media push to slander Elias as an antisemite when that is so clearly not the case.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i think there's a pattern developing of twitch responding to external pressures against him by banning him for a sunday and then unbanning him at night so he can do the regular news coverage on monday. which is to say, i don't think they're actually responding in any meaningful way on the basis of any particular actual reason like "antisemitism" or "terrorist support." they don't care that he'll be beleaguered by fascists on those grounds when they ban him for a day for this purpose, but i think they see it as a pressure release valve that lets them still make money on him for now.

It also builds a portfolio of evidence and history for their eventual decision to permanently drop him at any time they feel like it without getting any dramatic rebellion from users. What Twitch is concerned about the most is the potential of streamer bans to result in audiences leaving Twitch for wherever the streamer goes to instead. In particular the potential for those audiences to create mass exoduses and rebellions because of "bad twitch decisions". Building a large portfolio of bans up first is a safety buffer for Twitch.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Exactly, that too. They do this another time or two and then hit him with a perma whenever they decide he's a liability that they're willing to part with.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I don't follow streaming or use twitch so I can't speak to any context or consistency in this approach.

However, I think there is a generally-accepted concept in journalism that sharing of certain kinds of potentially inflammatory information ought to be done with caution. This is established for quite a while regarding reporting on suicide, which is thought to increase the likelihood of other people following suit in the near future.

When it comes to "manifestos" of people who have conducted showy shootings, you have to remember that these are for the most part racist, anti-lgbt, anti-muslim, misogynist, anti-immigrant motivations. There is a feeling that it isn't a good idea to widely share hate literature involved in massacres, because people could (and have) taken them as inspiration for further fashy violence. If you are just broadcasting white supremacist "ideas" out into the media, it's impossible to inoculate all the audience, and you will inevitably end up spreading and promoting race hatred.

So if you imagine yourself as a liberal who can't tell the difference between different situations, who just looks at things in the most infantile simple way, and one shooting is the same as another, this probably makes sense as a guideline.

Naturally, this rule only applies to individual shooters who are not directly affiliated with the state. Other kinds of violence are somehow exempt.

Journalism has been in a death spiral for some time now whereas gaming it a money maker. Twitch is a gaming website. Why would they want to have anything to do with journalism? Hasan is trying to use their resources towards his own end. But there is nothing in it for twitch. It will only cause them to become entangled in all kinds of grief.

They will exist in tension with each other, trying to go as long as they can, until they cannot.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm pretty sure most media has, for decades now, had issues with reading anybody's manifesto after they've attempted or succeeded at a mass casualty event.

Hasan being on a "new media" platform and being a very high profile one, makes him a prime target for "you've violated the platform's TOS" type of thing.

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