I hope we all know this and are just doing it as a bit, but sometimes I do see shit on this website that makes me go “Oh y’all are genuinely just weird prudes”
The “gooner epidemic” is not real, gooning is an incredibly niche kink that very few people engage in.
“Porn addiction” is basically non existent and affects such a small portion of the population as to not be relevant. The idea that most people have in their heads about porn addiction is propaganda made up by evangelicals.
We do not live in an overly-sexually-liberated time. There is not an excess of sexual content or exposure to it.
Most of the time when people talk about “the gooner problem” what they’re actually talking about is a mix of two unrelated things, people living normal sexually liberated lives, and undersocialized young men that don’t know how to interact with people.
Sex is good. We should be having more of it. We should encourage healthy, safe sex featuring whatever kinks you and your partner(s) consent to. Don’t fall for puritan propaganda comrades.
Idk maybe I am ignorant on history, but like…what time but the current would have MORE exposure to sexual content than the current internet age?
I do feel like we are living in one of the most if not the most sexually liberated and over exposed times in history for good or for ill I feel like that’s just obviously the case.
Exposure to sexual content is inherently a modern thing because it's wildly artificial to think of sexual activity as "content." Depictions of sex acts are ancient though, they just weren't commodified (and obviously there's a big qualitative difference between naughty engravings and live action recordings). But I would say that when humans lived in big polygamic groups before any kind of family structures had developed (and with the family structure strict sexual regulation) you could say they were more sexually liberated.
Didn't Pompeii literally have dicks carved into the street to point the way to the nearest brothel? I think the classical world was incredibly sexually liberated and similarly exposed to sex a lot more than we are.
large parts of the the classical world were slave societies, including pompeii. that level of sexual exploitation really strikes me as at odds with 'sexual liberation'
Liberation is when human trafficking.
I think we need Marx here. When you just have little depictions of nudity and sex as art pieces here and there it's a very different phenomenon compared to the commodification of sex. When we're talking about a commodity, it fundamentally transforms the relation we have with the object, it stops being just a thing that exists with a use value, to being a product that is brought to market and owned. It is produced in mass. Exploitation and alienation become parts of the operating process necessary for it to enter the market. So on and so forth.
Guy. You're comparing Internet porn to a society where there were prostitution currencies and brothels staffed by slaves
Yeah, that's a very fair point so maybe you need to go back further in history for my comment to make full sense, since sex was already commodified in ancient Rome.
not only that but the city had a prominent statue of Pan fucking a goat lol
Retvrn
i think there's probably a qualitative difference between vulgar graffiti and having a tiny machine in your pocket that has, and will be incentivized to create more, limitless simulations of people fucking for your gratification at any time.
I wouldnt say liberated, but there was no filter. Graffiti of gay and lesbian (yes they were aware that it's possible) was found on the walls of public spaces. There is a story from ancient greek, where soldiers get another soldier's boyfriend to watch to give him courage in battle or something. There were mock law trials in rome, which place women and men on equal levels of being possible victims of SA.
More so than medieval Europe I guess, but idk if the sheer amount and availability really compares. I dunno I’m not like a sex scholar by any means tho our current circumstances just feel a bit unique to me.
search "Jesus' side-wound", there is literally art where jesus is a transmasc icon giving birth to the church.
he got that stigmatussy tho
What does sexual liberation mean to you? Putting housing out of ~~young~~ most people's reach, dating being enclosed by apps under a monopoly, wastelands of soul-less sexual content made solely to satisfy markets and algorithms, and wave after wave of legislation criminalizing queerness, sex education, and existing in public space couldn't possibly be what you mean. So what do you?
This and honestly I think the existence of dating apps is sexually repressive in and of itself.
Many people today are uncomfortable with the concept of flirting with a stranger at a bar. And I don’t just mean “Man you just can’t sexually harass a woman like you used to!”
Both men and women have now become accustomed to the idea that it’s only appropriate to flirt in the environment of dating app where flirting is inherently agreed on up front. It is only appropriate to do romance under the thumb of the corporations. Anything else would be a social faux pas, you wouldn’t want to potentially make someone uncomfortable would you? Best to stay in the meeting space designated to you b Capital.
Is that seriously the current state of dating in the US? Holy shit
fuck bars even without covid extra fuck bars after covid.
Fuck covid I miss going to bars all the time
I mean it in the liberal sense of the word I guess. I don’t actually think any of it is all that liberating.
Safe search didn't exist until 2009. We may have the perception of more access but we're not more exposed. Playboy magazine used to sell in stores
Edit: I'd argue it only became more accessible because the internet is more accessible
I remember the newspaper having an entire section where nude women were featured. And it was not a "special" kind that you had to go out of your way to subscribe too.
Just as one example, the Victorian Era was 100% more sexually liberated in the general culture. Like, kink equipment became general fashion. People were having orgies.
The fact that you feel like you’re overly exposed to sex is itself a sign that we live in a conservative, puritan culture.