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[–] 6 points 11 hours ago

Bought or brought?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    You gptta just be stubborn as hell. Refuse the bag, take your cart to the car, and chuck it all in

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    [–] 50 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    I leave it in the car...every... time...

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Gotta remember to put them back in the car after bringing groceries into the house though. Also what about second car?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Just need to have enough bags to support a slow "when you get to it" rotation. Bags stay in trunk (you might need to double the number of bags you have to support a second vehicle), then grab a bag of bags when going shopping, fill bags at store, empty and full ones go in trunk when leaving store, full bags go inside to wherever is most convenient, then when they are empty, place them near the door. Then, on some trip to the car, remember to grab the bags by the door and stick them into the trunk and you've completed one cycle for those bags.

    If they get dirty, put them near the laundry instead of the door and either mix them in with another load of laundry or do them separately if you're getting that many bags dirty often enough to justify a load of bags. If they aren't specifically dirty, they should be fine. They aren't like clothes where you're slowly sweating and getting skin oils into them so need to wash them on the regular. Just turn them inside out to make sure the bits of onion skin all get washed out.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

    It isn't the case any more but there was a phase where my trunk was literally full, bottom to top not an inch to spare, of reusable bags, and they'd be forgotten.

    It worked out nicely once though when I finally remembered and just grabbed a whole bag full of bags, and there was some Karen going off on the poor self checkout cashier girl about having to pay for her bags, and I was just like "here take whatever I got a trunk full", and everyone was happy.

    And then Albert Einstein clapped.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    If it's any of the Karens I know they would go off on you if it was a bag from a discount store like Aldi, Walmart, TJ Maxx, etc and only expect something like whole foods

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago

    😂 That actually did come up, but I was sorta the Karen in that sense. We got stuck in a politeness war of "just take any", "oh no you tell me which", and finally I relented like, "Well actually this Trader Joe's one is pretty snazzy, here take TJ Maxx" or whatever

    In retrospect talking about it now... she might have been fishing for permission to take the snazzy one.

    Good 😤. Be better to the customer service, Karen.

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    [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Store them in the car...

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  • [–] 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

    If you forget the bag, go home and fetch it.

    This gives you a while to be annoyed and frustrated, which helps you remember next time.

    If you just buy a new bag, it's such a non-issue that you never learn.

    I used this technique and it fixed a year of bad habits in two trips.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (27 children)

    How do we know if these are actually a good thing for the environment? It seems like it's at least possible the excess waste offsets the benefit.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    If you have a reusable bag, it uses more plastic than like 100 individual bags, but it produces less waste that floats in the ocean or decays in a landfill.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Lived in my house for a few years and bought like 3 plastic bags in that time. We also took a few from my partners family when we moved in so we did start with some.

    Stats show a vast drop in how many plastic bags are used just by charging a tiny bit of money for them. Plus by having a cost now it makes sense to make them better.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    It’s a complex question to answer. But, basically reusable plastic > reusable cotton > plastic > paper

    https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/sustainable-shoppingwhich-bag-best/

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    The article briefly mentions this, but having lived in states with plastic bag bans, and states without - well drive through the countryside and count all the plastic bags in ditches, trees, streams. Paper might be more intensive to produce, but the lingering effects of plastic bags are being underestimated I think.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    I always feel it's so dishonest comparing the energy requirement between plastic and paper. Yes, paper takes a lot to produce, planting them, machinery for harvest, processing and so on. But energy is practically infinite with solar power. And while alive the trees are working as carbon capture, and when the bag gets thrown on the ground it puts the carbon back into the soil. I wonder how many paperbags have killed fish and turtles compared to plastic ones.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    The shitty little "reusable" bags that wear out after a few uses are def worse than the micron-thin plastic were overall.

    My state banned plastic a while back and I will way, i don't see bags stuck all over the bushes, roadsides and trees anymore so that's a plus.

    I got a dozen or so insulated Wegmans large cooler bags that have lasted 5 years so far. (6 for each car) They're double-stitched, hardcore zippers no signs of wear. I suspect their realistic lifetime is my and my wife's death. It's not like the kids are going to pine over the bags or anything. Now the real question, assuming they're evergreen (jury is still out) is 25-35 years of waste reduction from a 0.001 disposable plastic bag actually net negative against 12 large textile bags with thick plastic liners, zippers, and insulation?

    The bags probably host $200 in total and I'm quite sure I could buy a lifetime supply of disposable plastic bags for $200.

    Not seeing plastic bags stuck to a tree every quarter mile feels good. I think reusable is probably the right answer, even if it's not a huge ecological win.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    How much material and energy goes into making those thin plastic grocery bags? They're apparently extruded as a tube and then crimped and cut, Compare that to a woven polyester bag.

    The whole "reduce, reuse, recycle" thing: I'm a woodworker, I don't buy 600 grit sandpaper for rubbing out finishes, I use paper grocery bags. So I get shop supplies for free and use less plastic. Plastic bags mostly get re-used as trash bags, only the ones that are very torn get recycled. I don't buy purpose built trash bags.

    If you HAVE a re-usable bag, use it. Sure. Stacking up re-usable bags that you don't take to the store IS worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I can't find the video now, but a couple years ago there was a science creator who broke down the overall environmental cost (co2 production, manufacturing chemicals, microplastics, etc.) of producing the materials needed to make the various bags, manufacturing, transportation, and time to break down/end of life impacts. The single use plastic bags were less impactful than any reusable bags by far. This can be increased by reusing the single use bags as you would a reusable bag before using it for garbage like you do. Only paper bags were marginally better than single use plastic, but even that is unsustainable as it is still a single use item, and produces all kinds of chemicals during the pulping process. Not to mention only ~50% get recycled, leading to more forestry to supply materials.

    All that to say you're right. The 3 R's are the way to go.

    My personal pet peeve are the "environmentalists" who rush out to buy new "environmentally friendly" options rather than using what they currently have until it needs to be replaced. Particularly since most of the organic replacements don't last as long. Yes, the plastic version will end up in the landfill regardless, but they could have reduced their overall impact by 5 to 500 organic whatevers in the meantime. Eco-consumerist nonsense. /rant

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    All depends on how many of those bags I'll need.

    If I've got a lot of grocery bags at home, then I'll go with the reusables, since I'm stocked on trash bags. But if I'm running low, I'll get a fair amount of plastic bags since I'm able to keep my trash output down to a couple of small bins; there's one under the kitchen sink and one under the bathroom sink.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    I fully believe the anti-backpack attitudes among todays youth is the work of big plastic/paper bag.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    There are tons of businesses near my work (next to a middle school and a high school) that have a posted no backpacks allowed rule on the door. Mostly because of shoplifting, and sometimes there is a pile of backpacks outside the door and a bunch of kids inside when school lets out. But there are probably many reasons they don't want to carry a backpack when they don't have to.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I if forget one I own it and carry everything in hands. Or more often take it to the car in a shopping cart, dump everything inside and worry about taking it to my apartment later.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I have these nylon ones that scrunch into these tiny little bundles that I keep in my bag all the time. Can't leave them behind without also leaving my wallet behind.

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