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Pretty funny seeing Hasan slowly learning the core of international politics with this one event (www.youtube.com)
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Still softballs the fuck out of this for Ukraine as if they haven't been a proxy this whole time. Wake up baby boy its time to go to school very-smart

The comments are special as well

Ukraine is pretty much the only 'western' country with a legitimate grievance against Iran, Iran has for years supplied Russia with munitions that they fire at Ukraine, and that is one accusation that Trump and his admin never make against Iran to justify their warmongering.

Ok so bombing kids is ok if your reasoning is different? Logistics chains all start in China so are you going to advocate for nuking China next? Radlibs please read a book

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[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 29 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Ukraine is pretty much the only 'western' country with a legitimate grievance against Iran, Iran has for years supplied Russia with munitions that they fire at Ukraine, and that is one accusation that Trump and his admin never make against Iran to justify their warmongering.

I can accept a framing around the lines of 'Hey, Ukraine is fighting Russia and Iran is allied with Russia'. That's one thing. It is also a way to at least point out that France, Britain, Greece and the better part of NATO constantly mobilizing to protect Israel, KSA and to enforce the American Empire across the middle east is ridiculous. Like, it'd be naive? But it'd be something.

But then there's the up-shot: Ukraine doesn't just fight Russia. Ukraine is the new Israel, a country that uses its operatives all over the world for espionage and destruction under the American Empire. Rationally speaking, Ukraine should not give a shit about Russia helping the likes of Mali. But they still sabotage that nation, not because Russia is there (I mean, just let them spend resources there?), but because Ukraine bargains for its existence with the US-Israel axis on the basis of becoming Israel.

[-] dead@hexbear.net 26 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Hasan's positions on Ukraine are ambiguous. Ukraine flag posters believe that Hasan is anti-Ukraine. Other people say Hasan is pro-Ukraine.

I've watched Hasan regularly since 2019. I like his news coverage, I don't have to agree with him on everything. Nobody agrees with everything that any news reporter says.

If I remember back to February 2022, Hasan had predicted that Russia would not invade Ukraine. In 2022, every Ukraine flag twitter poster was harassing him. After Russia launched the "special military operation", his position on Ukraine-Russia flipped.

Prior to 2022, I remember Hasan doing Russia memes all the time. He used to play the wide Putin walking meme.

He mentions in the short video that he isn't going to make predictions on this. This is a reference to the Ukraine-supporters harassing him in 2022.

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Hasan did a whole 40 minute segment on Monday about Ukraine attacking Iran, starts at 2h30m on the vod. He concludes the segment by saying that Zelensky wants Ukraine to be US's new Israel but that Ukraine doesn't have the lobbying power or the religious zealots.

https://youtu.be/HmFTqOVyTPY?t=9056

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 1 hour ago

Hasan had predicted that Russia would not invade Ukraine.

I think most people thought there wasn't going to be an actual invasion, I think the old genzedong subreddit thought it wasn't going to happen back then too.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah if memory serves, most people were predicting a limited incursion into the separatist region.

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 16 points 5 hours ago

I've watched Hasan regularly since 2019.

gulag

[-] princeofsin@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago

When I was a chud Hasan screaming to chat "Profit is theft" got me to learn about leftist theory. He has his faults but is not the problem in the empire.

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

funny, he screamed at me for calling a liberal zionist a nazi, before banning me

[-] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago

banned me for saying Kamala supported genocide while he was crying about her defeat

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

At the time I wanted to write a whole ass essay about what a golden opportunity he squandered that night, 250,000 disillusioned baby leftists and libs in the palm of his hands, primed to positively receive rightous fury and vindication, the mother of all educuational moments that could've become the viral moment that could've culturally solidified the divide between liberals and leftists in America

And what did he do with that opportunity? Absolute cry baby, mopey bullshit, the man was deflated when he should've been furious, silent when he should've been spitting 100 lines of theory a minute, depressingly interspective when he should've been preaching as if God himself was standing behind him

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

well he did vote for her after all, simply out of love for the democratic party

[-] whisp@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago

Sadly most watching Hasan won't go further left

[-] princeofsin@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

If a first-generation South Asian, trapped in the Imperial Core like me, who didn't even know how to write or read English, can change, then anything is possible.

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 10 points 3 hours ago

I'm joshing, my feelings on Hasan lean towards positive

[-] dead@hexbear.net 13 points 4 hours ago

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago

We're communists, we're not liberals who just let people enjoy things uncritically, we ruthlessly criticize people's preferences!

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 43 points 7 hours ago

Its really hard for my fellow mouth breathers over here to accept that we are the bad guys. Idk how you can blow up countless children and it not be obvious but this isn't even new happenings. US has been evil since its inception. But mmkay, sure, you have an okay life here so it must mean the leaders of the country are good. 😑😑😑

[-] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 47 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I know so many people who are perfectly willing to accept that the US are the bad guys except when it comes to Ukraine. Somehow history started with Russia entering the ongoing Ukrainian civil war, not with the start of the civil war or the coup in 2014 that caused it or even the coup in 1991 that overthrew the Soviet Union.

We’re all familiar with “Progressive except for Palestine” but that one is at least mostly due to the pressure of powerful groups, “Progressive except for Russia” is much more entrenched in leftist communities and comes from regular people.

Regular conversation in the TrashFuture discord: “Killing children is bad!””Yes!””Killing children is bad when Israel does it!””Yes!””Killing children is bad when Ukraine does it!””Well okay slow down it’s complicated…”

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 4 points 45 minutes ago

The issue with Ukraine is very little leftist pre-work for the eventual break out of the conflict. We fucked up by misreading that Russia would invade over it and saying that Russia would not.

Compare this with Palestine, where there are literally decades worth of leftists talking about the issue, the ongoing problems, the open air prison conditions, etc etc.

With nothing to point to but a handful of BBC clips covering the nazis there and the immediateness of the BBC flipping the script and acting like that was just a few of them and Ukraine doesn't actually have a problem, the bourgeois media took control of that narrative and set in the minds of the people a clear story that has solidified. Once the story is set and gains traction it's almost impossible to dislodge.

With Palestine on the other hand, years of leftist content and no mistakes about what Israel would do made it very easy for the left to secure the narrative.

If we had years worth of discussion about Ukraine and Donbas before Russia stepped in, with correct analysis and a correct assessment that Russia would step in and proper reasoning for that before it happened, the left could have won that narrative. The left however spent years largely ignoring what was happening there and then acting like Russia would never do what they did. It was a collective fuck up.

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 18 points 5 hours ago

Trashfuture

wtyp

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 14 points 5 hours ago

No that's November Kelly's OTHER podcast

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

Part of the Nate Bathea extended universe

[-] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 22 points 7 hours ago

I’ll keep repeating it: There are very clear analogs in the Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine conflicts. Ukraine and Israel are Nazi countries backed by the US that love ethnic cleansing. The Donbas republics and Palestine are the small, unrecognized victims of the US backed countries. Russia and Iran are the reluctant opposition who only got involved when the US backed side forced them to, but are nonetheless on the side of good.

If you think Iran is justified in attacking Israel, why would you not think Russia was justified in attacking Ukraine? Is it just ignorance of their ethnic cleansing in the Donbas? Is it ignorance of other Ukrainian provocations? Is it just Russophobia? A lot of the people I’m referring to are publicly fans of the Soviet Union so I wouldn’t think it was the last one but I really don’t know.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 43 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The comparison is just not that simple, even if the points you raise are correct. An important complicating feature is that Ukraine is not a Nazi country by its fundamental nature, unlike Israel. There's no non-Nazi version of Israel that could ever exist. Ukraine has a Nazi government that was recently imposed by foreign powers. The Israeli population is a bunch of nazi psychos. The Ukrainian population, until the war, was the most pro-Soviet of any post-Soviet country. It's much easier to paint a picture of Ukraine as the victim given that. Israel is not the victim of anything but its own suicidal ideology, while Ukraine is the victim of a geopolitical game that has hijacked its government repeatedly in living memory in order to stew up nationalist sentiment and put Nazis in power in order to advance imperialism. Edit: another important note, the Ukrainian people are in fact the victims of this conflict in a way the Israeli people could never be.

The other major piece is that Russia took the initiative in its conflict while Iran did not. Iran practiced almost unreasonable patience while Russia acted decisively before it could be on the receiving end of an invasion. To someone who doesn't know the history (and how on earth would the average American?) it appears that Russia was an unprovoked aggressor, and therefore the comparison looks more like Russia = US and Iran = Ukraine. If you actually want to convince anybody, you need to think of these important dynamics.

[-] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Ukrainian nationalism is as fundamentally reactionary at its very core and nature as Israeli nationalism. Luxemburg was 100% right about this and Lenin was wrong. Ukraine as an entity is defined by its opposition to Russia.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Ukrainian nationalism is as fundamentally reactionary at its very core and nature as Israeli nationalism.

Ukraine is not a settler entity. That's a preposterous comparison.

Luxemburg was 100% right about this and Lenin was wrong. Ukraine as an entity is defined by its opposition to Russia.

Why shouldn't it be? Ukrainian nationalism formed historically in the OG prisonhouse of nations. And what's the prescription? Crush it? That would only stoke it more.

[-] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 1 points 35 minutes ago

Idk the last 12 times they tried it was fascism. It's just locked in now, the ruts are worn in and all nationalist projects will follow the banderite path

[-] Renin@hexbear.net 13 points 6 hours ago

Not that you're wrong, it is complicated and people are indoctrinated, but It is generally a waste of time trying to educate liberals with low literacy skills and no concept of historical materialism, the moment the media demonstrates that X is bad... most liberals will change their stance as follows. It's more useful to try to organize in an effort to try to change the mainstream narrative or advance literacy skills of people. This is a self-crit btw I've wasted way too much time debating people online when I should have been doing better and I regret not using my time for a cause. So maybe I can share this as a learning experience for others.

[-] Moonworm@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

If it's a waste of time to try to educate people, then what the hell are we doing?

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 16 points 6 hours ago

I do sometimes notice people talking about conversations they had with others about Russia/Ukraine and being like "how do I get this lib to understand?"

Answer is you don't! The territory is pretty muddy and murky and there a ton of other topics you can use to kore clearly and definitively establish a socialist or anit-imperialist viewpoint. Just shift over to one of those, and everything gets a lot easier. I wouldn't get into it with someone who didn't already understand the basics of where im coming from (learned that lesson before)

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 14 points 6 hours ago

they don't know about and dismiss or downplay the ethnic cleansing, but i'm a certified analogy hater because it just turns into arguing about the analogy for no value.

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 27 points 7 hours ago

A lot of people don't know about Ukrainian ethnic cleansing (modern or historic). The ethnic cleansing in the Donbas was always depicted as just being a war against Russian outside agitators. And, of course, it's very hard for any American to lose their anti-Russian racism. Just like in Europe, it's a foundational part of our modern culture.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 7 hours ago

It's this simple: Ukraine is a smaller country than Russia. Russia invading Ukraine gives Russia bad optics in the eyes of people whose only frame of reference for politics is David vs Goliath, big guy vs the little guy, Hunger Games, and Harry Potter.

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 19 points 5 hours ago

Why can't those same people apply that logic to the US invading a random third world country every decade or so?

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 6 points 2 hours ago

plenty do. it’s the ukr/palestine quartet of the political compass

[-] jack@hexbear.net 12 points 2 hours ago

Many of them do. There are many, many people who oppose the US starting wars and think Ukraine is a totally different situation. It's almost the default position these days.

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