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[–] 58 points 3 months ago (19 children)

They are also absolutely floating in oil wealth.

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  • [–] 81 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    All the other scandinavian countries that don't swim in fossil fuel wealth are still doing pretty well, though. Also, lots of countries that are rich in natural resources don't actually let the majority of their population participate in that wealth.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago (9 children)
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    The US citizens are definitely not oil wealthy.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    That's my point. America actually has roughly 10 times as much oil as Norway, but in Norway everyone benefits from the oil rather than just a handful of mega-rich oil barons.

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    Oh wow, I knew Venezuela was rich in oil, but damn!

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Norway is a stupid example. Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland easily have the same level of welfare or arguably better than Norway in many regards. The key is to make public investments into the country's resources (be it farmland, forestry, mines, electricity) and build infrastructure and institutions that benefit the people.

    By investing directly, you are doing the thinking instead of deferring judgement to bankers and the "invisible hand" that's really just a bunch of rich dudes with their own incentives that don't align with yours. You cut out billionaire middlemen and money doesn't have to "trickle down", and you can steer the behavior of your industries and universities toward causes that take your country's needs over time into account.

    That's how good investors think about their business empires - why should countries choose to not strategize at all and just let nature do its thing?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Finland

    We're currently suffering from the nazis-in-government disease. Of course social services are still better than in, say, the US, but we had a decisive downwards trend in the past 2 years. Plus scandals. TBH I don't think they'll get re-elected.

    And I'm sure many Swedes and Danes would have something similar to say about their own government. Maybe even Norwegians? Idk. My point, "socialist" Nordic countries are not immune from the scurge.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    The World Bank had a 1993 report that basically concluded government industrial policy was to be avoided if the goal was to grow wealth broadly. This guided (or was representative of the views of people in power) decisions on international aid and other conditional support to developing countries for decades.

    Leaving development of industry and technology deployment entirely to the private market economy didn't work. Countries with the highest average standards of living, or the most improvements in standard of living, have had significant government guidance of the major industries in their economy. Only this year has the World Bank issued a new report acknowledging this: https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2026/04/24/from-paradigm-maintenance-to-paradigm-shift-a-mood-change-on-industrial-policy/

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    True, and worth a reminder. But they choose to do, well, social things with it*. In addition to more "normal" social welfare stuff they give money to people who live in the very North, just for living in the North.

    They also have so many waterfalls that all their electricity is hydro, and they have too much of it.

    They tried to sell it cheaply to the EU some decades ago but of course our energy lobby blocked it.

    * also cultural etc. etc. Like another commenter said: they choose to let their people participate in it

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Recently my lead hypothesis is that many people would rather personally suffer and die if it means that black people have it worse. I read "dying of whiteness" recently, and it's haunting. "It's socialism" is just a coded way of expressing that.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Broadly, humans are happier when they have more than their neighbors. Having the biggest house in the neighborhood strongly correlates with increased happiness. Having a McMansion in a neighborhood full of other McMansions leaves people no happier, on average, than having an average mobilehome in a mobile home park. (Free public radio audio coverage, links to Washington Post text article: https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/01/13/why-larger-homes-dont-lead-to-more-happiness)

    In the US, having black people be "the ones with less" that makes people of other races get that "better than my neighbor" happiness boost is structurally convenient, but other groups fill that need in other cultures. Jews and communists are other common targets in Western cultures, all non-Japanese get the treatment in Japan, the Tutsis in Rwanda, the eastern ethnic groups in Russia, and on and on. This hugely common psychological tendency is damaging to creating broadly prosperous societies, but hopefully the learnings from the studies of it will help us create strategies to structurally counteract it.

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    [–] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    My (millionaire boomer) Uncle from Mexico recently shared this (sorry for quick translation using gemini). There are brainwashed people everywhere

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    [–] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    In the US, we are under a massive oligarch-owned far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership.

    It works so well that rich people in other countries are trying to adopt the same model as a means of popular control.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Oh shit. I don't know why that hadn't occurred to me before 😂

    Our cultural imperialism is exporting rebellion and the destruction of civilization.

    Damn, that whole great American satan thing hits different.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If socialism "never works" I'd say it's in the same boat as democracy.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    That tattooed walrus moron has always repulsed me on a visceral level.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    To admit that other countries do better would be to violate the dogma of American exceptionalism. It would be to offend the fragile egos of the most brainlessly egotistical among us. And I guess ultimately they think their feelings matter more than their own wellbeing.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Its not the welfare policies its the tentacles in the global south and the violence that keeps that in place

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I think kind people should push for regional economic independance or at least verification of its viability and acknowledgement that they are working their fair share.

    Then one can be sure that at least from your point of view, the exploited worldwide are free to choose their own fate, and you are not a leech.

    Economic independence is a useful tool, in that when one is economically independant, it can also be determined for certain that any external law or force is unjust and not a component of livelyhood.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Aren't they both dead now?

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    This is so true not just for Americans. Norway is such an amazing country.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Half the time I have this argument IRL, they go mask-off and say it's because of race.

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    It's more like 30%, the rest of us would gladly take a standard of living boost. But FoX News, OANN and every other disinformation factory have brain washed a lot of people.

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