Thank you for the clarification. I do feel in some ways this is just a complex argument for racism and I have heard similar intricate arguments just like this to justify racism. This may not be your intention, but I think it is important for you to know this for the future.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/05/19/people-diverse-areas-community-identity-supersedes-racial-ethnic-differences

What we find sociologically is that your "common sense" about homogeneous society is anything but.

“As diversity increases, people paradoxically perceive social groups as more similar,”

Essentially a non homogeneous society will increasingly accept other social groups as normal. This kind of puts your entire theory on its head, although I do see the point you are getting at.

Your denialism over China is both bizarre and telling. You are definitely acting as a campist as I had guessed already. I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak, but I am also not here to be gaslit by an authoratarian apologist.

The reality is China is an just another oligarchy. They have probably the largest wealth gap of any nation in history and are pumping out more billionaires than the US the last three years. They are now the fourth largest supplier of arms to war torn nations and they have a long history of imperialistic endeavors.

China is great because of the US, not despite it. They have both conspired together to create wealth for an extreme minority. Trying to bill China as the lesser of evils is pretty silly even if I would generally agree just because the US in particular has caused more death and destruction than any nation in history.

It would be interesting to see if this reform would pay off as much as you think it would. I am in full support.

I think reforms could help with some things and certainly increasing the amount of representatives would reduce corruption by increasing the amount of people to be bribed. I don't feel that popular voting will ever work though because it lends to corruption too easily

While Canada may not be as cooked as the US is, I can't help the feeling that they have bought into Neo liberalism completely. This is pretty much incompatible with democracy in my opinion.

I can't really blame them. No normal person could put up with the perversion that our politics have fallen into. I mean how many death threats can you get for rightfully pointing out Trump is a turd.

A similar thing happened to Ross Perot. Honestly, a good man who cares about his family should GTFO of US politics. It is absolutely disgusting full of corruption and outright lies especially at the federal level.

That you for clarification about your view of voting. I also think it is important to consider how effective the vote is. As I mentioned a study done about US policy indicates strongly that there is almost zero correlation between what people want and actual policy.

https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-little-impact-on-public-policy/

This has much wider implications than just US politics as this same tendency can be see in other countries as well. It also shows us that democracy is actually a window dressing for fascism (at least in the US).

I don't mean to be dismissive, but if the best you can do to show socialism is accepted in the US is to cite Bernie and George then I would have to say that I respectfully disagree. They are the outliers and not even to the left at that. George is a straight up billionaire and Bernie hasn't mentioned anything about giving workers ownership unless you count capilitistic driven ideas like ESOPs.

Having worked at the local, state, and federal level in the US I can definitely say that once it reaches the federal level the average citizen has next to no power to affect change.

I am not surprised you are in denial about China. I run into this with a lot of campists. I am not sure how you could look at Xi and not see an autocrat. Asia's march into neo authoritarianism is well documented in Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and China. Frankly, denying this shows a lack of candor that makes conversations convoluted at best.

You seem to be splitting hairs between multicultural population and a democratic multicultural population. How much representation does it take to get to the democratic part. Also, what about recent studies that highlight that US policies appear almost completely unaffected by the majority of the population.

In this respect the US would not qualify as a democratic multicultural population. The only time your vote matters is if you vote with the ruling class. In fact, the US government is actually structured to ignored the working class from the start with the Senate, Executive Branch, and Judiciary all designed to thwart the Congress.

Your point about Isreal and Palestinians is strange considering that Palestinians are not actually Israeli citizens. Not sure if you mean non-jewish Israeli citizens, if so I suppose it makes some sense.

There is no socialism destination for the US. If you lived here you would know socialism is a bad word. We even purged all of our leftists during McCarthyism. The destination is not capitalism either. It is has been fascism since before there was a word for it.

I don't agree with your appraisal of China. Their destination is Neo authoritarianism like most of Asia right now. You could argue the US is heading this same way.

Dude already said he was getting the fuck outta politics. Looks like that isn't enough for Trumplethinskin.

Can democracy survive a multicultural society, yes it can. Can it only exist in a homogeneous way, no. This is kind of the same question honestly.

A better question is, will powerful fascist elements use multicultural issues against democracy? The answer is yes.

Can a non-homogeneous democracy compete with a homogeneous? Do you think the US has competed successfully considering they have been non-homogeneous for awhile now.

I have never heard white elitism as the cause for the decline of democracy. I would say it has definitely created a two tired society where some white males get the benefits of other's work disportionally.

Honestly your question(s) seem kind of race baiting in a mild way. Like you are looking for an answer you already have and just need confirmation.

I see your reliance on path and destination as a metaphor for the status quo and change misplaced. Democracies can and do change and the fact that not every group has the exact same goal does not prevent democracy.

It may make it more complex and slower because the groups must find common ground and develop shared goals. Or perhaps one group will simply dominate the other as we see in the US. Obviously there will be conflict if the groups have polar opposite demands.

I find your distinction between one party and no party just silly. China is not a democracy at all. The supreme power is invested in a autocrat. Of course, you could argue the US is very similar and depending how this next election plays out it may to become a no-party/one party government. I am sure some would argue it already is one party when it comes to serving the wealthy's desires.

China is not driven by a singular goal as what the rural working class wants is completely different than the urban elites want. There is no way everyone in China can be a billionaire. This two-tired society is non-homogeneous by nature.

This new world is dominated by corporate interests. The wealthy are no longer bound by nations. I see us heading into an increasingly post-nation world for the wealthy with nations purely becoming a tool to control the populace and something that is ignored by the wealthy.

I think every large nation, including the US could be broken up and probably be better off. This concentration of power under the guise of the state in order to control the populace at the benefit of the wealthy is a problem that is happening all over the world as income gaps continue to increase dramatically.

In at least in one case it looks like it was human smuggling. Could you imagine getting blown up for trying to escape a situation you are in for no reason other than Trumplethinskin needing a distraction from his history of pimping children.

Puts possibly the largest target on themselves of anybody in history.

People want to kill me? Well fucking duh, how about not trying to be the richest drug addict white supremacist carnival barker in history. Did you think that lying to everyone with a PR team to run cover for you would last forever.

Try this:

Wake up in the morning

Drink a big glass of water

Wait 1-10 minutes

Poop

Jesus and Satan talking about Baron.

Satan: His souls is mine, I will roast him for a millennia before I have him drawn and quartered to be devoured by my demons.

Jesus: Wait, who are we talking about again. Baron!? Oh hell no we don't want him you can have his ass.

Satan: Oh shit I thought we were talking about someone else. I don't want that little shit either.