I had a manager collect phones once about ten years ago. I told him if he took my phone I would quit.
He did not take my phone.
I cant work if I don’t have something to listen to. I need to drown out the office noise.
If you don’t trust me to get my job done, you didn’t hire the right person.
This needs to become a human right. Fuck asshole coworkers who think they can monopolize your attention to fuck with you
I’ve never thought about it beyond questioning why they think your real life stops when your work life starts, but yes, it does.
Well guess I won't work anymore. Ya boi's got his 2FAs somewhere and it ain't a yubikey.
My office building is a signal dead zone for some reason, and I have to walk all the way to the terrace just to get my 2FA push code.
TOTP doesn't need internet though?
I misspoke when I said “code”. I meant push notification that you just have to tap to confirm.
You ever had the one where Outlook wants to do the push notification validation on the same device that authorizes such requests? It just interrupts the validation process and forces you to retry.
I assume management is free to do what they want with their phones, so they can fuck all the way off.
Oh, yeah, you're in trouble for "stealing from the company" if your wife calls to tell you your kid is in the ER, but if the boss' wife called just to see how his day was going, he'd answer it.
My boss also went hard on no private calls during work time. My colleague immediately switched his work phone off at 5pm sharp because not mixing private and work. Of course soon there was an issue at 5:30pm. It was amazing how that policy got reversed so quickly.
I'm a grown ass man, im good with all that thanks...
As an ass man, what do you like to use your phone for?
Probably checking his stock…. In dat ass! (I don’t know, it’s very late or very early here)
Not a ban, as such, but our IT has been tightening security and is now requiring us to install a device management app on our personal phones if we want to be able to run Outlook or Teams on them. I told them that's fine, I just won't run the apps, which means it's a lot harder for people to get ahold of me outside normal working hours. It's pretty great, actually!
As someone who has to deal with that device management software, good! If your work requires you to be available outside of normal hours, a) make sure you are paid for that and b) make them give you a corporate-owned device. If I could only deal with corporate-owned devices and fully ignore all BYOD I would.
Absolutely. I work from home so I used to run them for convenience, but kept notifications turned off. It was nice to be able to occasionally join a meeting from my phone. But if there's an actual emergency (very rarely happens) they can call me.
Nope. My work phone and my personal phone are two different devices, and I am not logged into any work-related accounts on my personal phone or any personal accounts on my work phone. I don't even let my work phone onto my home wifi.
yeah. I had a place that gave a monthly stipend which is the only reason I own a smartphone. its a work phone and not my phone.
As always, loss of rights for children always spreads to adults in short order.
Wait a minute... Isn't banning phones from schools a good thing? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but aren't they a huge distraction from the learning experience?
The point is regardless of if it's good or not. Removing the rights and privileges of ANY group of humans. Will spread to the rest of us. When you restrict something for children in school it almost always ends up in work places for adults. Because many companies consider the work place little more then school 2.0 when it comes to control. The employee is functioning barely more then a child as far as many companies are concerned
Children deserve rights and respect. If it's a problem you deal with it on a case by case basis. Just as you should in the work place. The sacrifice for freedom and self respect is that some people will try to take advantage of it and abuse it.
Blanket bans in all but the most extreme of cases are only considered smart by assfucks, shit stains, fascists and ignorant fuck muffins who listen to the other groups with out a second thought. And cellphones are NOT a extreme case.
For the rest of us we know how stupid they are and how many knock on problems they cause the rest of us. Or at a minimum ask and question things as to learn why there is a controversy.
So good on you for asking. Props for not being a idiot.
Hold up just a bit. It has little to do with infringing on someone's rights and more to do with ensuring our children have the best learning environment we can provide them. You can argue workplace rights in a separate argument. Children do not NEED these devices. Parents do not NEED their children to have them.
Am I the old fogey here? Do y'all not see how these devices are a detriment to their learning experience?
Don't worry, you're right.
There's a very vocal subset on Lemmy who think that any issue children have must be the parents/teachers fault, and that no blanket rules should exist. It's weird.
Politicians are mad that kids have access to information like "it's OK to be gay" and "the Gaza genocide is wrong" so they're pulling every lever they can to remove that free access. Schools are already prison like environments where vague unproven "it's for education" can be asserted, so they are. So.it the freaky surveillance they're doing now. Are microphones in the bathroom "ensuring our children have the best learning environment" because they're doing that in Beverly hills now
Let your employer know that the "ban" works both ways. And you won't accept work related calls outside of work hours. When I am off the clock, so is my freaking phone.
My workplace refuses to give me a work phone. I have to use their stupid MFA app 30 times a day to if they want to take my phone away they can fuck right off.
I found that most mfa apps are not as proprietary as companies want to make you belief. My previous corp job wanted a specific one but copying the secret code into proton pass worked just fine.
Yeah, MFA is pretty standard these days. The only apps I know that do something different are the big ones. Steam, Google, Paypal...
It makes no sense to go and maintain your own MFA system as a smaller company.
Install grapheneOS on your phone, and their MFA app doesn't want to run anymore.
My phone works as a universal medical device. There are specialized devices that can replace my phone, and you are free to purchase them for me and pay for the associated subscription costs.
I use mine for my CGM. So yeah, that will go as far as them realizing they need to pay for extra equipment.
I mean this is already the case and has been since like the 2000s in any blue collar job. You'll get a bollocking if you're doing anything other than your work.
Yeah when I used to work in a workshop, phone stayed in your tool box except for smoko and lunch
Every asinine micro-managing policy that the bosses at my workplace come up with shares a common thread…control. That and the fact that it is a non-union plant, so they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and there is absolutely nothing the workers can say about it.
No phones? Sure, why not? The capitalists can only extract every ounce of productivity out of their workers, if they can budget every second of the worker’s time. This is of course so they can move the goal posts and demand more. Don’t worry though, they’ve got a steady stream of college grads who will start at the bottom of the pay scale, ready to take your place after the company has taken everything from you.
If you’ve got time to breath, are you really a valuable asset to the team?
However, Adrian Chadi, an associate professor at the University of Southampton, says the evidence that phone bans improve productivity is not definitive. His research suggests they can help with simple, routine jobs by reducing distractions, but the impact is less clear in more complex work that involves creativity or problem-solving.
I mean, yeah, if you care what science says...
/s
If you're doing something that actually takes thinking, you need to give your brain a "break" while still keeping the rpms up.
2 minutes of scrolling articles and quick comments is more refreshing than a 15 minute break relaxing. Because your brain is still "up" but it's switching to a brand new task which (in a very simplified fashion) is a quick reboot for our brains, it's just enough to push everything out of working memory so when you pivot back to what you were doing, it's with a fresh set of eyes.
I thought this was as well known as "rubber duck debugging"?
We really need to start teaching people how their own brains work
2 minutes of scrolling articles and quick comments is more refreshing than a 15 minute break relaxing.
I am not at all convinced, and in fact this might be the first time I've heard anyone say low attention span piecemeal content does anything but rot your brain.
I thought this was as well known as "rubber duck debugging"?
That's... a completely different thing? Rubberducking is when you explain your problem out in words, which engages the speech production part of your brain which often helps you solve the problem by making you crystallize your thoughts.
2 minutes of scrolling articles and quick comments is more refreshing than a 15 minute break relaxing. Because your brain is still “up” but it’s switching to a brand new task which (in a very simplified fashion) is a quick reboot for our brains, it’s just enough to push everything out of working memory so when you pivot back to what you were doing, it’s with a fresh set of eyes.
you realize these idiots in the C-Suite are going to read this and think the solution is to just give people more tasks, right?
why dont i just put a decoy phone in there and call it a day?
The headline is misleading. The article talks about it applying to "support staff". So call center employees probably.
"this is a kindle"
can I look at-
"no"
That website is cancer for phones.
A growing number of employees can’t come to the phone right now as companies increasingly lock away devices or enforce strict workplace bans.
Major companies across all industries are grappling with smartphones in an effort to curb employee distractions, while also tightening protections for sensitive and confidential information. Last year, JPMorgan Chase's CEO, Jamie Dimon, called phones in meetings “disrespectful,” while other companies, such as Id.me, have gone one step further.
The digital identity verification company rolled out phone pouches for about 290 support employees more than three years ago to better protect sensitive client data, The Financial Times reports. The small, sealed bags lock devices inside and can only be opened at a magnetic unlocking station, similar to Yondr-style pouches used at concerts and comedy shows. Unlike traditional lockers, ID.me employees keep the pouches on hand during shifts, so they can still hear urgent calls, notifications or emergency alerts, employee Kamilah Muiruri told the outlet. Phones can also be used during scheduled breaks.
For Muiruri, the ban has helped her build better relationships with colleagues, while also improving her focus.
“It gets us to connect with each other,” Muiruri told the outlet. “I didn’t really know people in the office as I was focusing on the friends I have outside the office. Now, we are very close as a team . . . [and] very big on going out together.”
“When I first started . . . I wasn’t the best employee, constantly checking my phone,” she added.
Some workplaces are now requiring staff to store their phones in Yondr-style lockable pouches in an effort to reduce distractions and help employees stay more focused at work, despite research that suggests otherwise(AFP/Getty)
However, Adrian Chadi, an associate professor at the University of Southampton, says the evidence that phone bans improve productivity is not definitive. His researchsuggests they can help with simple, routine jobs by reducing distractions, but the impact is less clear in more complex work that involves creativity or problem-solving.
“It is very difficult for researchers to determine the effects of a ban compared to a situation without such a ban in the same organizational context,” Chadi told theFinancial Times. “It is also possible that employees will perceive the ban very negatively if using their mobile phone offers obvious advantages at work, [especially] as people have become accustomed to the constant availability of their mobile phones.”
Across the pond, the Royal Court Theatre, London, introduced phone pouches for its Writers’ Card program to cut distractions and boost creative focus, requiring playwrights to lock away their phones at the box office while they work and partake in talks and networking events.
“Writing is an extraordinarily difficult thing to do...particularly when you get to the hard part,” Will Young, the theater’s executive director, told The Financial Times. “When you get stuck, it’s easier to reach for a distraction.”
Young added that the phone policy has been warmly accepted by “so many writers [who were] half-amused, half-ashamed” to do so.
“It’s only a small thing, [but] there is something about that commitment [that says] ‘I’m here to work,’” he said.
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JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon said phones in meetings were “disrespectful” ((Alamy/PA))
Back stateside, Dimon made headlines in November when he enforced a strict “no smartphone” rule at JPMorgan Chase meetings. In shareholder message, he wrote: “People in meetings all the time who are getting notifications and personal texts or who are reading emails. This has to stop. It’s disrespectful. It wastes time.”
“If you have an iPad in front of me and it looks like you're reading your email or getting notifications, I tell you to close the damn thing. It’s disrespectful,” Dimon further told CNN.
Graham Dugoni, the founder and CEO of Yondr, told the outlet that its customers now span a wide range of sectors, including courts, childcare centers, government agencies, mining operations, political organizations and businesses seeking to protect intellectual property.
“The organizations coming to us have usually already tried the honor system,” he to the Financial Times. “What these environments share is the recognition that a phone policy on paper is not the same as a phone-free environment.”
together.” “When I first started . . . I wasn’t the best employee, constantly checking my phone,” she added.
“It’s only a small thing, \[but] there is something about that commitment \[that says] ‘I’m here to work,’” he said.
I want so badly for these two people to be characters whose commentary is about how ridiculous it is to participate in the corporate machine. But I fear that these are not characters, but are real people. People who have “asks” and “opportunities”, instead of “questions” and “problems”. 🤮
My work technically has that rule too but it genuinely stops getting enforced once you pass the trial period.
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