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[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 73 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly, the law has a loophole which allows flagship phones, which keep 80% of their capacity after 1000 cycles and have at least an IP67 rating, to be exempt from this. So it's unlikely because right now there are some phone manufacturers which claim this durability. :(

I hope I'm wrong, though.

[-] ranzispa@mander.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago

It's fine by me, I just want to have the possibility to buy a phone with interchangeable battery and 2 SIM cards. As long as the phone has that, it's good for me.

[-] logi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I used to require dual sim, but at this point I'm happy with 1 physical sim and a couple of e-sims in rotation. I'm quite happy not to have to buy a sim after landing in Bangkok or wherever and instead buying a package for the global sim on file.

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Only 1 physical Sim slot is fine, as long as there are 2 modems. In Germany at least you pretty much need to have two different Sim cards from 2 different networks to have good coverage in rural areas

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Where did you take this from?

The rules I found (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ%3AC_202500214) say that:

"Appliances specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable, may be designed in such a way as to make the battery removable and replaceable only by independent professionals"

It's in Article 11 here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

I don't see any info about this being amended later.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj/eng

Section 5C point 2:

"From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for battery replacement:

(...)

or, as an alternative to point (i), ensure that:

(...)

  • the battery endurance in cycles achieves a minimum of 1 000 full charge cycles, and after 1 000 full charge cycles the battery must, in addition, have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 80 % of the rated capacity;
  • the device is at least dust tight and protected against immersion in water up to one meter depth for a minimum of 30 minutes."

I could be too paranoid, but I found it always best to assume the most malicious interpretation when it comes to corporate law.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

the battery endurance in cycles achieves a minimum of 1 000 full charge cycles, and after 1 000 full charge cycles the battery must, in addition, have in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 80 % of the rated capacity; the device is at least dust tight and protected against immersion in water up to one meter depth for a minimum of 30 minutes."

Tbh, that completely defeats the whole law.

Doesn't even have to be a flagship. It's any phone really. The 1000 charge cycles thing is quite easy to do. All you have to do is to limit the capacity of the cell from the beginning. So for example, if the battery originally has 5000mAh capacity, sell it as a 4000mAh battery. That way the battery can lose 1800mAh of capacity (=> go down to 64% of the total maximum capacity) without going below the nominal 80% mark.

Then waterproof the phone, as most phones already are, and that's it, done. No change at all needed to be done to the physical phone.

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

No, not the complete law, but it severely gimps it. No one's going to make a car or a laptop submersible. But phones and tablets are easy to glue together.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Watch them do it.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ok, reading this it will be replaceable by a 'generalist' which can mean anything really. I guess we'll see how many phone makers will use this rule to still soldier in the battery. This exemption looks pretty stupid.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is still a good start nonetheless as it would normalize removable battery in the market.

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[-] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 weeks ago

But USB c chargers is already a rule for a while, no?

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 20 points 2 weeks ago
[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

So what changes? They will have to fix old phones now?

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Before it was "If you bring a new device to market it needs to have USB C". Now it is "You are not allowed to sell new units of an old model that still as non-USB C".

Specifically, that means that e.g. Apple was still allowed to sell the iPhone 14, which has lightning, but the new iPhone 15 had to have USB C. The new rule means that Apple will not be able to sell the iPhone 14 any more.

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Any new devices (point of first sale, probably) will need to carry it. Not just models that started being produced after X date.

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[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago

A few years ago there was an exception for waterproof phones

Is it still there?

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure phones can still be waterproof and have a way to replace the battery in a simple customer friendly way

[-] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Im talking about the EU legislation, not the viability

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, it's still there. Waterproof for 30min at 1m, and the battery should lose maximum 20% of max charge capacity after 1000 cycles, and the battery doesn't need to be replaceable.

That loophole makes it super easy to defeat the law. Just change the nominal battery capacity to 50% of what it is without changing the physical battery in there. Then the battery is allowed to lose a total of 60% of the maximum capacity over 1000 cycles, and that's easy.

Done. The only change necessary for the phone is changing the nominal battery capacity in the data sheet.

[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 21 points 2 weeks ago

*unless the phone meets certain battery longevity requirements

Sorry folks, we were so close.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

The regulation states that batteries must be removable using ‘commercially available’ tools – and that if specialised tools are required, they must be provided free of charge or at a reasonable cost when the device is purchased.

The directive does carve out exceptions: where safety or waterproofing could be compromised, battery replacements will require professional assistance.

So every device will require specialized tools to open that you have to buy separately, or require you to visit an overpriced professional licenced by the smartphone company.

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[-] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some politician will end up with a cozy seat on the board of a device manufacturer in return for this "unfortunate oversight".

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This was voted like 2 years ago. Why it's in the news now?

Here's an article from a year ago about the same thing: https://euroweeklynews.com/2026/04/17/new-eu-phone-rules-could-change-the-way-you-buy-your-next-mobile/

The law itself is from 2023: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

So I guess it's just a yearly reminder.

[-] MacAnus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The first article you posted is from a week ago.

Thanks for posting the law though, for anyone else curious about it here is the article that talks about replaceability :

(LMT = Light Means of Transport)

Article 11

Removability and replaceability of portable batteries and LMT batteries

1.  

Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those batteries are readily removable and replaceable by the end-user at any time during the lifetime of the product. That obligation shall only apply to entire batteries and not to individual cells or other parts included in such batteries.

A portable battery shall be considered readily removable by the end-user where it can be removed from a product with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product.

Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those products are accompanied with instructions and safety information on the use, removal and replacement of the batteries. Those instructions and that safety information shall be made available permanently online, on a publicly available website, in an easily understandable way for end-users.

This paragraph shall be without prejudice to any specific provisions ensuring a higher level of protection of the environment and human health relating to the removability and replaceability of portable batteries by end-users laid down in any Union law on electrical and electronic equipment as defined in Article 3(1), point (a), of Directive 2012/19/EU.

2.  

By way of derogation from paragraph 1, the following products incorporating portable batteries may be designed in such a way as to make the battery removable and replaceable only by independent professionals:

(a) 

appliances specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable;

(b) 

professional medical imaging and radiotherapy devices, as defined in Article 2, point (1), of Regulation (EU) 2017/745, and in vitro diagnostic medical devices, as defined in Article 2, point (2), of Regulation (EU) 2017/746.

The derogation set out in point (a) of this paragraph shall only be applicable where such derogation is required to ensure the safety of the user and the appliance.

3.  

The obligations laid down in paragraph 1 shall not apply where continuity of power supply is necessary and a permanent connection between the product and the respective portable battery is required to ensure the safety of the user and the appliance or, for products that collect and supply data as their main function, for data integrity reasons.

4.  

The Commission is empowered to adopt delegated acts in accordance with Article 89 to amend paragraph 2 of this Article by adding further products to be exempted from the removability and replaceability requirements laid down in paragraph 1 of this Article. Such delegated acts shall be adopted only on account of market developments and technical and scientific progress, and provided that there are scientifically grounded concerns over the safety of end-users removing or replacing the portable battery, or in cases where there is a risk that the removal or the replacement of the battery by end-users would be in violation of any product safety requirements provided for by applicable Union law.

5.  

Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating LMT batteries shall ensure that those batteries, as well as individual battery cells included in the battery pack, are readily removable and replaceable by an independent professional at any time during the lifetime of the product.

6.  

For the purposes of paragraphs 1 and 5, a portable battery or LMT battery shall be considered readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance or light means of transport, it can be substituted by another compatible battery without affecting the functioning, the performance or the safety of that appliance or light means of transport.

7.  

Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries or LMT batteries shall ensure that those batteries are available as spare parts of the equipment that they power for a minimum of five years after placing the last unit of the equipment model on the market, with a reasonable and non-discriminatory price for independent professionals and end-users.

8.  

Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components.

9.  

The Commission shall publish guidelines to facilitate the harmonised application of this Article.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

The first article you posted is from a week ago.

You're right, I pasted wrong link. There are plenty of older articles about this though. Not surprising since the law is from 2023. Funny how bunch of sites decided to write about it right now.

[-] MacAnus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah maybe we'll see more and more articles about it until 2027 comes, then some more ^^

I managed to not hear about this before now though so I won't complain about this :)

[-] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

Law suggestion: every phone has to have multiple options for operating systems

[-] texture@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

who on earth downvoted this?

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Pro'lly an apple fanboi.

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[-] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Thank fuck we're saved from their oppressive, over-reaching policies here in the UK. /s

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Based on the last time I tried to change my phone's battery: Replaceable batteries only make a difference if there are actually new batteries being made for your model, a replacement battery that's been stored in a warehouse for about as long as your phone is old doesn't help. For increasing your phone's lifespan anyway, you can still use a second battery to increase the time between charging on a day-to-day basis, if replacing the battery is something easy you could do every day without damaging the phone.

Might depend on the specific battery tech, though.

[-] rycee@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Per the article, there must be replacement batteries available for at least five years after the end of the product being available on the market. I don't think it would make much sense to keep tonnes of batteries in storage for so long. Presumably battery manufacturing would therefore have to continue over time. Maybe device manufacturers will try to share battery designs across device models so they don't need so many manufacturing lines?

Would be great if it means that I could swap out my device's battery after a few years and the new battery takes advantage of the improvements over that time.

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've had multiple phones with replaceable batteries. As long as the phones were popular models, replacement batteries were widely available from both the OEM and 3rd parties. Manufacturing dates were usually within 6 months or so.

Once this goes into effect and there's widespread demand for replacement batteries I suspect their will be no problem with supply.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Also, it will make economic sense for phone manufacturers to have as few battery models as possible. So, it's possible that there are some pretty standard batteries. It's also the case that batteries that sit in a warehouse for years are still better than batteries that have been discharged and recharged repeatedly.

I've paid a technician to replace the non-replaceable battery in one iPhone and in one iPad. Even though Apple doesn't officially make batteries replaceable, if you are willing to pay for it, you can get a new battery and extend the life of your device by a couple of years. I imagine that will only get easier once the batteries are actually user replaceable.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

and headphone jacks, brussels. headphone jacks.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

fuck it - i need a guitar jack in my phone too. just in case!

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[-] iglou@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

I get wanting headphone jacks in your phone, but... Making it mandatory doesn't make much sense to me, a lot of people don't care about it at all and it does take quite some space inside your phone. It'd be similar to making a CD tray mandatory in a laptop.

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