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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by marcie@lemmy.ml to c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net

I think I'm reverting a bit into some misanthropic and nihilistic tendencies, but at this point I feel like I don't even care about bad things happening to cis people. Everything feels worse for trans people, and I spend a lot of time helping other trans people with problems caused by shitty cis people. I genuinely think 90% of cis breeders hate their trans kids in some way and actively make their lives harder, even the lib 'accepting' ones. I'm like 60% of the way to thinking 'yeah I'm gonna be a terrible slumlord for cis people so I can make trans people live better lives, I'll house them for free by taking money from the cis by being an exploitative landlord'. I have the possibility of actually doing this. I doubt we're having a revolution, so like... isn't this an equalizer? There's also the fact that trans people basically have no familial support, being a landlord exploiting cis people would mean we are forcing society to actually support those without it. I could see alternative arguments, like maybe if you have access to a lot of housing you could just make cheap housing for trans people and that would foster a whole community rather than having a lot of depressed cis people slaving away for a handful of homeless trans people, idk. You'd probably have to deal with anti-discrimination laws with that scheme, whereas giving housing away for free to trans people can be contractless.

Obviously I'm a communist through and through, but why should I care about others outside the community when many cis people clearly aren't in the position materially to even begin to think about communism, let alone trans inclusive communism? Talking to them won't work either when they see you as a freak from the start.

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[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

i'm not trans and i hate people too.. pretty much everybody actually.

[-] Salah@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

If you have the means to buy property then you can create a community space for your neighbourhood where you can host events or community kitchen on donation basis, you can rent out or where you can sell stuff. That’s basically what all similar initiatives in my area do to sustain themselves. Leftist organizing means organizing over all axes except class, because we do need that solidarity between all working class people in order to win.

The formula of making a protective space for a victimised group that then works on bettering the whole community where they’re located has been successful in many places so it might work in yours as well. Aside from the money you gain, the connection with the neighbourhood functions as a security layer. It also creates a breeding pot for more political organizing.

[-] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I try to see ethics in terms of what real-world harm or good comes from an action, so I definitely get where you're coming from with this. Would the outcome of this be to cause people more harm than otherwise, or would the overall all outcome improve things for at least some people? And on that note, one thing to be careful about is if this idea would actually work. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason, would the fallout cause people more harm than if you never went through with it in the first place? What's the risk of something like that happening?

Sounds like if this saves at least some trans people without making anyone else worse off, it could a positive thing overall, but figuring out how to make it work as intended would be the hard part. Also, I'm sorry the world we live in is so depressing and I hope you're doing ok. meow-hug

One more thing, if we're talking about participating in capitalism to help comrades out, I have a few unhinged chud-targeted "business ideas" I'd love to share with the world. doggirl-smug

[-] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I don't blame you. Idk the logistics, and I hate the idea of being a slumlord even assuming you don't mean it in the negligent/absentee landlord sense. But you're already doing more than I'm capable of right now, and it's getting so bad out there. If you have a good chance to make it work, to make anything work that will help stem the tide of trans people ending up on the street or in restrictive/unwelcoming shelters, go for it. And honestly, reading this is making me reconsider some things about what I need/want to be doing.

[-] marcie@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Appreciate you taking what I'm saying in good faith

[-] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I'm so pissed off reading the responses this post got, a lot of people owe you apologies cuddle

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have the possibility of actually doing this.

Build the commune. Just go straight for it. If it's private property then you can decide who can be there. If you have a trust that holds the property, it's still private property.

In my locality that is what we're doing, and there is a strong emphasis on queer + trans people. Unless you're in a HCOL area without a high-paying job, it is possible to do it reasonably close by.

We might not get an accepting society but we can certainly play our cards wisely so as to end up with refuges where misfits to mainstream society can experience communal luxury.

[-] marcie@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Build the commune. Just go straight for it. If it’s private property then you can decide who can be there. If you have a trust that holds the property, it’s still private property.

Already did but the reality is we're very alone and the number of homeless people in our area is building up. We need more space but have zero avenues to expand without exploitation (either stocks, commercial rentals, or housing which would be by far the easiest to expand on because once it's paid off we can put trans people in it). Like it's borderline impossible to even get trans people we know hired and making enough to support themselves. They basically survive on internet begging because of the dearth of funds, like we can't pay for everyone's healthcare because we have to be strategic so we can help where it counts (like bulk food). Trans people are also not an attractive donation target, we're not puppies, kids, or some minor celebrity that needs to pay for cancer.

I basically see this as hiding Jews (or trans people ,or queers) during the Holocaust by any means necessary. No one seems to comprehend the level of catastrophe anyone working in this space is seeing right now. Maybe it's not reasonable for me to try to expand beyond what we can directly inhabit but it breaks my heart every day to see everyone dying and society to keep on chugging like it's normal. And yeah, society should suffer for that. And if I could target shithead cishet people with a laser sight I absolutely would, but I'm generally ok with shafting people that aren't actively working to help homeless people.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

I basically see this as hiding Jews (or trans people ,or queers) during the Holocaust by any means necessary.

Yes, that's what it is. They went after the gender research first last time, and they'll do it this time too, only even more prominently and coherently, because that's what the scapegoating propaganda has been built up around.

[-] RedLink@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Often during meetings a new comrade will bring up why we run services to help people if we could be helping people who are racist/homophobic, etc. One of my comrades in my group wanted to discuss something just between us so I set time aside for it.

This discussion was essentially; "Why don't we create a apartheid like state where queers receive decent human rights and straights and cis people aren't allowed."(not a quote) Likening it to a commune. There are so many issues with this I could write a book about it. The land that would need to be taken, the heavy surveillance people would have to face to confirm queer status, the argument of who qualifies as queer, is being therian enough, is transitioning mandated, the oppression of an entire demographic of people, most of whom never got the opportunity to be educated within America's oppressively poor education system, ETC.

But one thing that reflects yours, the previous point, and theirs is that there are people who do need help that will fall out of your arbitrary lines. There are bourgeoisie trans people, and gays and lesbians that exploit others to the same degree. Being part of a minority often gives you a chance to better understand these issues and educate yourself but its not guaranteed. There's a well known (in revolution groups) transwomen in my area who hates leftists and volunteers to infiltrate and spy on leftist groups for state security.

The sentiment here is falling back into chauvinism and I understand the sentiment (I'm a transwomen), but you will not find an effective solidarity among any particular group but the working class. Oppressing one group does not make things "equal". You're coming into power and instead of using that power to deconstruct contradictions of capitalism and fight against it you're appropriating it for your own use.

That being said, I'm all for just trying to house trans people with your available assets. I am currently living in a situation where i often house trans people who's leases were up or homeless in my area to help them get on their feet. I do this for free because I can. It doesn't mean you have to do the same thing, circumstances are different.

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