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[–] 140 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Here's the thing though. When THEY need it, it's ok. They'll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Not if it was diagnosed in a regressive state.

    The record of the pregnancy doesn't go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.

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    [–] 87 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    US maternal mortality rate:

    2016: 17 women per 100,000 births

    2024: 19 women per 100,000 births

    That is an 11% increase and higher than any year in the 2000-2019 timeframe.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Not the rate but the needlessness is the issue.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The rate is the factual evidence that denying women healthcare creates real harm.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    A singular case of denied abortion leading to death is enough here. It is not about the statistic threat but the unnecessary death.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    How about both? You don't need to deny or dismiss any other valid supporting point in order to drive your point home. Every unnecessary death is wrong. An increase in unnecessary deaths is wrong. It's terrible en masse, and each one is completely unforgivable.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it's more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop

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    [–] 69 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    My wife literally had to have all three of those while we were trying to have our twins. She had a double whammy of a rogue ectopic they couldn't find on scans and an empty gestational sac in the uterus that wouldn't pass. They knew there had to be an ectopic somewhere because her hCG levels weren't tracking with what they should be with what they could see on the scans.

    So the Catholic hospital we were at gave her multiple courses of methotrexate to make sure they got the ectopic. Multiple scripts for I believe it was Misoprostol to try to pass the miscarriage. But when that didn't work and she showed up to a monitoring appointment with signs of sepsis, they immediately took her in for emergency surgery to remove it.

    Then when we finally got our twins we had to do a late term selective termination because the pregnancy was originally quads, one died early enough to be reabsorbed but was conjoined at the umbilical cord to her twin. That twin had a massive stroke during some crucial brain development weeks and we found out at 20 weeks that she had basically no brain and her constant seizures were actively killing the other two and might even cause her to lose the entire pregnancy.

    Literally the only option to save the two healthy twins was to terminate that triplet. Abortion is literally the only reason my twins are alive today.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    Sad chuds who can't argue with the need for abortion in my wife's particular case but still hate it generally? idk.

    I can't tell you how many conservatives I've talked to about abortion with our particular story who just viscerally hate it as a concept because in their minds 90% of the people using it are just floozies who can't keep their legs closed. Let me tell you, the existential crisis so many of them have when I tell them that even if that were the case, there is no possible way stop just those abortions without also killing babies like my twins is crazy.

    Like yeah Buddy, every second that triplet was having those seizures the risk we just lost all three of them grew. On top of that we were measurably watching the two healthy babies slip down the fetal growth charts. As in they were on one growth curve, and they dropped down to a lower curve because the seizures were stealing all the nutrients my wife's body had. There was a vary real possibility that one or both of these little barely over 20 week old fetuses just died while we waited for this surgery with them rushing absolutely everything because NY is no questions asked before 24 weeks. We finally had it as just over 22 weeks. Sure, theoretically they could have done their "morality check" in those 2 weeks. But realistically that's not going to happen. What's actually going to happen is exactly what we already see happening in places where women are dying or nearly dying of sepsis because of these bans.

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    "It's okay. They'll make an exception for me. Because I'm special."

    - Republican women

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    What's her reasoning that others should not have that option?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.

    Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt/is it actually a feasible option to take out the hurt?

    But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago

    "I thought they'd make an exception for my abortion" sobs woman who voted for the Women Dying of Pregnancy Complications Party.

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Republican Women: "Good, keep your legs closed, slut." Wish I was joking.

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    [–] 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And the GOP says: "OK, then you die. Sucks to be a woman."

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    [–] 32 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The treatment for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.

    People really dance around this issue, but we simply need to give women access to safe abortions for unwanted pregnancies.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!

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    [–] 31 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The procedure for a stillbirth removal is an abortion. Often in the third trimester.

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  • [+] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Liberals still having trouble conceptualising that MAGA is a death cult that has no issue with policies that kill everyone.

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    [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    That's the idea, though.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, here's the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn't (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.

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    [–] 17 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You think these fuckfaces give a fuck about their possible future health?

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    [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Doesn't affect them until it directly affects them. They won't support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.

    Fermi's Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I'll just never understand how they look at abortion as murder of a human and then commit a genocide against some brown people somewhere else. Literal demons.

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    This type of argument will never work though because guess what happens to an aborted fetus? They die. They. Die.

    Like the discussion can't be around "making abortions illegal means women will die" because those who are behind these kinds of laws would just argue the opposite "making abortions legal means children will die" because they consider life to start earlier than others.

    The whole debate is around when a life is considered a life with one side saying it's at conception and with one side saying it's after 18 weeks or so.

    (I am pro abortion btw, I am just tired of people thinking they can change anyone's mind with arguments only convincing the already convinced)

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    From a medical perspective I find it irrelevant. Healthcare decisions around childbirth should be between a woman and her doctor, or licensed nurse practitioner midwife. And ruled over by HIPAA which is still in effect, for now..

    HiPAA for women is to be cut, per Project 2025.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    In all the above situations, without an abortion, guess what happens to the fetus? If it's not already dead, it will die. And yes, those people will say it was God's will. (God's actually a big supporter of abortion, He kills 25% of conceived fetuses, not to mention the babies he kills after birth.) But they shouldn't get to call themselves "pro-life." They're ghouls. And the hypocrites would "get essential treatment" for themselves or their own daughter and walk out of the hospital to protest and deny the same treatment to other people's daughters.

    I know logic will never change them, but supporting and increasing the numbers of people in red areas who support the right to bodily autonomy will help convince politicians who care more about political clout than any ideals.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Even in nature, the mother takes priority. Biologically the mother is a massive resource investment. She can make more kids. So if its a choice between the mother and the child, biologically, ethically, and logically the mother takes priority.

    Idk why im even commenting, like you said people are either pro-choice or theyre wrong, and theres no convincing them otherwise. I just desperately wish we had some way to segregate all the people that dont want the world to improve so they couldnt interefere with a functional society.

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    [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Won't work on them unless they're actually in the process of dying.

    Conservatives don't care about being warned about things. They only care when those things happen directly to them and they have to actively deal with the consequences.

    Remember seeing some pristine examples of this during COVID. Conservatives in the process of dying in the hospital and then start begging for help.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    "I'd kill a thousand women!"

    "... 'If it means saving one unborn child?' "

    "..."

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    [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They think it will be just poor women who will die, so they're ok with it.

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    [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Ok, so science story time. I’m not a doctor.

    The female human’s reproductive tract is somewhat loosey-goosey. There is a direct path between the outside world, through the vagina, through the cervix, through the uterus, through the fallopian tubes and into the female abdomen. Not literally, but figuratively the ovaries “float” in the abdomen, just outside of the entrance to the fallopian tubes.
    While discussing this with a doctor once, I asked, “Since the ovaries are not directly connected to the fallopian tubes, when an egg erupts from an ovary, what ensures that the egg enters the fallopian tubes and heads to the uterus?”
    She replied, “Not much. Occasionally the egg will stay in the abdominal cavity and implant there.”

    So think about that for a second. It’s not uncommon for a human eggs to float into the female abdomen, attach and begin growing. That’s called an “ectopic pregnancy”. If you know enough women who trust you, you’ll likely know at least one who’s had surgery for an ectopic pregnancy.

    So think about that for another second. If you know someone who is against abortions, be sure to ask them how they suggest solving ectopic pregnancies.

    If they don’t have an answer, consider what it would be like to die from one.

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    [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It’s so important to recognize that these aren't just 'debates'—they are real medical emergencies. Using the correct clinical terms helps people understand that we are talking about life-saving healthcare and the safety of patients.

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