Hell, even if the Republicans had held the convictions they espoused on Jan 7th, we'd be done with his insanity and cruelty...
Call me woke or whatever but im against capital punishment in any instance
I think we can find some middle ground between the death penalty and allowing the person to become president again.
My middle ground is I believe some crimes deserve the death penalty, but I believe the state should never have the right to execute its citizens.
Outsource their executions to El Salvador.
"Oh no, you misunderstood. We said we wouldn't execute you."
Maybe bring back social ostracism? The person loses all rights and privileges. Meaning even killing them will not be prosecuted.
My issues with the state executing people is two fold. The first being if you allow the state to have that right it can change the laws and begin executing people for less severe offenses. The second and more crucial, is there are always mistakes made and you should not put an innocent person to death. Vigilante killings or those outside the system only make that worse. Truthfully you've described a very cruel punishment when life in prison works fine
I'd add a third issue. In a democracy, your social systems are the agency of the people as a whole. We collectively bear responsibility for those systems. By condoning the death penalty we embrace cold blooded killing for revenge, when it is done as a collective. Those in favour of the death penalty are thinking about the perpetrator and why we want to hurt that person, and not about the mental health of our society and why we should not be debasing ourselves. When I've discussed these matters with USAns, this issue is usually ignored or dismissed, and I think that says a lot about the condition of that society.
Napoleon, anyone?
So imprison them on St Helens?
Torture? :-D
I generally am as well, but considering the circumstances, I'm willing to make an exception in this case.
I don't want to make martyrs. I want them to grow old and frail watching their legacies crumble and their fortunes taken from them. Death is too quick for fascists.
Just like Mussolini the well know Italian maytr
Life is too short to waste on extremely dangerous lost causes. Decide, execute, learn, prevent, move on.
Human rights are one thing. But extreme human rights violations and war criminals are another. Preaching tolerance for the intolerant is wrong.
You ever watch the Alien movies? Imagine thinking jailing a xenomorph is a good idea. Hubris.
There is no purpose to a bad person suffering, but I'd be lying if I said would not feel gleeful catharsis if certain powerful people's finger nails were ripped out, their eye's gouged, their balls smashed, their individual teeth crushed and ripped out, their skin then flayed off their bodies, and then their whole bodies set on fire to finish them off.
Sure, but that's exactly why people should not have the authority to decide punishments. Even if I agreed with you in this case, capricious torture would absolutely be used by the people we hate against the people we care about. Our first order of business should be to restore a functional justice system.
Please stop talking like that. This is like describing the most delicious hamburger to guys starving in a POW camp.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
AGreed. If rights aren't applied even to those we hate, they aren't rights, they're privileges.
I think there are definitely instances where a person has done something terrible enough that they should no longer be sharing an earth with the rest of us. Treason that results in hundreds or thousands of deaths (like sabotage, espionage) is one of them, attempting a coup is one of them, really deranged murders are one of them, etc.
Unless it's on billionaires.
Its hard to define such laws.
I'm afraid that racist poor whites would use the ensuing chaos after such a hypothetical revolution to vandalize Asian American small bussiness owners because they deem them "rich" and try to lynch us. I don't want my family getting lynched, I don't want another LA Riot happening, it'd be terifying for us.
When North Vietnam won the Vietnam War, they made policies that effectively forced the Chinese diaspora to flee the country.
I don't exactly like revolutions, I prefer a democratic transition.
Aren't we all one mistake away from becoming billionaires?
I'd generally agree but there comes a point where a certain person has done so much intentional harm (in/directly killing so many) and is just above any law or judge... that i'd look the other way if they get Kirk'ed.
The laws, no matter how corrupt, are there for a reason. If even that fails... well, there's guillotines.
Punishment: Cersei Lannister Style Walk of Shame
So you want Trump to walk naked down the street? Who is being punished here
Ever heard of the infamous 34 criminal convictions?
Google Trump Rule 34 for more info
This entire administration doesn't know or understand the word shame.
I'm also against the death penalty, and don't advocate for it in any instance.
But I'm not gonna be sad if he is executed.
🙏🏻
Friendly reminder that south korea is a straight up oligarchy. They're doing good in the instance, but they're not as much better than the usa as they would like you to think
Hey you know what's so interesting about Korea?
They got two dystopias in one peninsula.
Two for the price of one.
I keep wondering which one of the two countries will first implement cyberpunk: the Sovereign Chaebol of Samsung or the United State of FAANG.
Yes. Geunhye Park, the president from a few years back who was caught red handed embezzling millions and consulting a shaman on national policy barely got a slap on the wrist and was back rubbing shoulders with politicos like a year later. The cronyism goes deep here.
Imagine living in a functioning country.
South Koreans can only imagine it as well. It is a grim dystopia for the working class there either way, this is just a skirmish between two factions in their oligarchy.
If there is to be a death penalty, it should be used against the wealthy and powerful.
They have shown they cant be trusted to run society.
That’s how your supposed to do it
One simple “hack”….
FWIW, axes are more efficient than guillotines.
Life in prison without possibility of release is just an forgone death sentence.
Put Trump in a cell where he can see a golf course he'll never play.
Taking out the people at the top seems like the answer to many of the worlds problems.. my own solution to the Greenland thing is that we take out Trump, I’ll even tell you how I would do it, remove the US nukes from the tips of UKs trident missile and replace with tungsten rods then use it like the Russians use oreshnik for a sub launched ballistic missile kinetic strike on mar a lago to turn it into a big hole. Imagine the world wide celebration.
Life in prison would be enough.
Although... it is treason... dunno.
I disagree. With treason you've gotta go for the kill for a few reasons. Firstly there's the obvious violent prison break followed by an armed coup. Second it splinters their followers; without a strong leader the group is far more likely to turn on itself. Thirdly it reinforces the idea that coup's are the most dangerous move you can make and no matter who you are there's an absolute and final punishment.
Look where the US is now after not killing the traitors. Normally I'm staunchly against the death penalty but in instances like this it's truly for the greater good.
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