Hell, even if the Republicans had held the convictions they espoused on Jan 7th, we'd be done with his insanity and cruelty...
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Call me woke or whatever but im against capital punishment in any instance
I think we can find some middle ground between the death penalty and allowing the person to become president again.
My middle ground is I believe some crimes deserve the death penalty, but I believe the state should never have the right to execute its citizens.
Outsource their executions to El Salvador.
"Oh no, you misunderstood. We said we wouldn't execute you."
Maybe bring back social ostracism? The person loses all rights and privileges. Meaning even killing them will not be prosecuted.
My issues with the state executing people is two fold. The first being if you allow the state to have that right it can change the laws and begin executing people for less severe offenses. The second and more crucial, is there are always mistakes made and you should not put an innocent person to death. Vigilante killings or those outside the system only make that worse. Truthfully you've described a very cruel punishment when life in prison works fine
I'd add a third issue. In a democracy, your social systems are the agency of the people as a whole. We collectively bear responsibility for those systems. By condoning the death penalty we embrace cold blooded killing for revenge, when it is done as a collective. Those in favour of the death penalty are thinking about the perpetrator and why we want to hurt that person, and not about the mental health of our society and why we should not be debasing ourselves. When I've discussed these matters with USAns, this issue is usually ignored or dismissed, and I think that says a lot about the condition of that society.
Yes, but the secondo point is not the case with Trump and his ilk. There is no "mistake". He's such a vile individual that he may have deserved getting shot even before becoming president.
Napoleon, anyone?
So imprison them on St Helens?
Torture? :-D
I generally am as well, but considering the circumstances, I'm willing to make an exception in this case.
I don't want to make martyrs. I want them to grow old and frail watching their legacies crumble and their fortunes taken from them. Death is too quick for fascists.
Just like Mussolini the well know Italian maytr
You say that like there aren't fascists who think he made the trains run on time.
Still dead and last I checked they never rebuilt his regime.
No matter what you do there is going to be some idiot that'll worship any fascist
They never rebuilt his regime, but Togliatti, the chairman of the Italian Communist Party, signed an amnesty that pardoned or reduced sentences for fascists and partisans alike. So, many fascists simply transitioned into new positions of power in the newly formed Italian republic and aligned with the US anti-communist, anti-union agenda.
They never rebuilt the Mussolini regime because that's never how fascism works. But... [gestures broadly at the current state of the world]
I mean it's been 80 years. These shitheads would have admired him if he was hung or died shitting his pants at 80.
His death was effective for the people at the time
Life is too short to waste on extremely dangerous lost causes. Decide, execute, learn, prevent, move on.
Human rights are one thing. But extreme human rights violations and war criminals are another. Preaching tolerance for the intolerant is wrong.
You ever watch the Alien movies? Imagine thinking jailing a xenomorph is a good idea. Hubris.
Except the xenomorph is an animal, a remorseless killing machine. Kill it, and it's dead. It's acid blood might burn a hole in the hull and turn all the astronauts into iced spaghetti, but its death is the beginning of the end of the problem.
Trump is not our monster. He's a symptom of the problem, like an infected cyst that forms due to autoimmune deficiency. His end will not make American great again. Our government needs to be able to function and expel infections like Trump without a violent coup, otherwise we're just kicking the can down the road. We need a United States that can maintain its governmental functions regardless of who is in the seat of power, one where criminals are imprisoned efficiently until they can be rehabilitated, even if that never happens. As cathartic as it might be to see enemies punished, vengeance is not justice. Creating a system that cannot be capricious or vengeful is the only way to prevent despots from being capricious and vengeful. If we have learned anything, it's that we cannot rely on our representatives being decent people with good intentions.
There is no purpose to a bad person suffering, but I'd be lying if I said would not feel gleeful catharsis if certain powerful people's finger nails were ripped out, their eye's gouged, their balls smashed, their individual teeth crushed and ripped out, their skin then flayed off their bodies, and then their whole bodies set on fire to finish them off.
Sure, but that's exactly why people should not have the authority to decide punishments. Even if I agreed with you in this case, capricious torture would absolutely be used by the people we hate against the people we care about. Our first order of business should be to restore a functional justice system.
Please stop talking like that. This is like describing the most delicious hamburger to guys starving in a POW camp.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
AGreed. If rights aren't applied even to those we hate, they aren't rights, they're privileges.
I think there are definitely instances where a person has done something terrible enough that they should no longer be sharing an earth with the rest of us. Treason that results in hundreds or thousands of deaths (like sabotage, espionage) is one of them, attempting a coup is one of them, really deranged murders are one of them, etc.
Unless it's on billionaires.
Its hard to define such laws.
I'm afraid that racist poor whites would use the ensuing chaos after such a hypothetical revolution to vandalize Asian American small bussiness owners because they deem them "rich" and try to lynch us. I don't want my family getting lynched, I don't want another LA Riot happening, it'd be terifying for us.
When North Vietnam won the Vietnam War, they made policies that effectively forced the Chinese diaspora to flee the country.
I don't exactly like revolutions, I prefer a democratic transition.
Aren't we all one mistake away from becoming billionaires?
I'd generally agree but there comes a point where a certain person has done so much intentional harm (in/directly killing so many) and is just above any law or judge... that i'd look the other way if they get Kirk'ed.
The laws, no matter how corrupt, are there for a reason. If even that fails... well, there's guillotines.
Punishment: Cersei Lannister Style Walk of Shame
So you want Trump to walk naked down the street? Who is being punished here
Ever heard of the infamous 34 criminal convictions?
Google Trump Rule 34 for more info
OK thanks for the suggestion Be right back
This entire administration doesn't know or understand the word shame.
I'm also against the death penalty, and don't advocate for it in any instance.
But I'm not gonna be sad if he is executed.
🙏🏻
Likewise. If we can't treat our enemies with the humanity we would want treated to us then we're not much better than they are. Also aware that making martyrs is never a wise idea.
He could easily be stripped of all possessions and wealth and thrown in prison or exiled till they die a slow meaningless death. That's the best way to deal with them.