Why would I want AI to play the game other than for testing?

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[–] 176 points 9 months ago (11 children)

I want AI to do my chores not play my games.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago*

    Work is hard, modern games are easy.

    Shoot this dot, go to that dot, bring "x" to this dot...

    Anything requiring critical thinking like a puzzle, the bot just brute forces trying every possible outcome until something works.

    It works because games have a finite set of options and at least one progresses. The real world isn't that clean, and you don't get infinite chances to get 1 correct solution.

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    [–] 103 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Great! Now the AI can play the video games for me while I do the dishes. I swear it was the other way around in the SciFi.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Shut up and get back down the mines or your robot manager-security-cop will have to terminate you. Meet your billionaire-enforced quota and you'll live to enjoy another day of mining.

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  • [–] 89 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Game companies: spend millions fighting cheating and cheat software.

    Nvidia: here comes AI game assist!

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    [–] 70 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Why the fuck is AI always being applied to only parts of society that are fun?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I want LLMs to be used to create thousands of characters that have agency in like, Skyrim or something, and to watch the absolutely unhinged fucking chaos of what it creates.

    I don't want it to play games for me.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago

    That’s cool. AI can do art and writing and video games for me. It can watch all my shows. All I have to do is work and maybe sleep. Sounds fun.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    I guess Elon won't be needing gamers' services to max out his characters anymore.

    Fucking AI taking valuable jobs away again.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Y'all laugh but there are way too many people into idle games, not to mention people who prefer watching a stream (even without commentary) over playing a game itself.

    I cannot comprehend why, though, just like I can't comprehend how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun

    Have you never played a game with unreasonable grind that saps all the fun out of it ? Often just to drive player hours and 'engagement'. Multiplayer cheats however can die in a fire.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I suppose. When I'm referring to cheats, it's more in regards to invulnerability, infinite resources, etc., which seem to sap the point of having a game in the first place. Like making the fun parts into a grind, rather than the other way around.

    That said, I'll also say sometimes part of the challenge is the grind, so it depends. You have to pick your own poison, right?

    Like, take Silksong for example. You lose out on the full experience if you mod out the annoying run from bench to boss, it's like a 40 second annoyance built in punishment. But I get why you'd do that-- it's technically there for a reason but I get it. Hell, even the difficulty adjustment mods I can understand.

    But making the bosses die in one hit or making yourself invulnerable? Now you've lost me, that's like a core element of the game; you might as well just watch someone else play it because what's the point.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    When I was a child I used to ask my dad to input the invulnerability cheat in Doom. I was way too bad at movement, aiming and basically just everything, that I could have had fun otherwise. Likewise for Anno 1602, there I needed the money cheat because otherwise I'd just go bankrupt. I didn't understand the income balance yet but I still had fun building economy chains.

    I'm not sure I have a point here. Just remembered cheating as a child because I needed it. Probably haven't cheated in 18 years now.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My dad entered in codes for me when I was really little, but that's kind of another thing entirely. I don't think little kids have an achievement oriented sorta version of play, so anything goes with them. Once you're older, that dopamine rush just hits differently, though.

    In education you could also consider it a form of scaffolding. Enabling someone to do something they normally can't do is a form of development, like giving handicaps in games and stuff can foster the skills to not need them eventually.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I don't watch others playing games, either, but someone who likes those streams told me he didn't see a difference between watching good gamers play games and good football players play football.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You never used cheat codes in GTA San Andreas and the like? It's a lot of fun

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The age of ai-generated streamers is coming...

    People and corporations will automatize all the process and turn it into passive income, and a lot of people will somehow watch it, making the thing profitable.

    I'm tired of all this...

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    How much legal trouble would I get for kicking a CEO in the testicles? it feels like it would be worth it if I ever met NVIDIA's bosses.

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    [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    AI will do all the fun and creative things for you so you can get back to work

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Great, another fun thing the LLM craze want to take from me. FFS.

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I wouldn't mind playing games co-op with AI.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Actually if they can use that to make good ai opponents for 4x games, it'd be pretty sweet

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Except you don't need a neural net to do this, nor would you really want one for it because it would be incredibly slow unless you use the GPU to run it which might be a bit busy running the actual game. It's like a "make game run worse" option.

    In game AI can be pretty sophisticated even without the addition of neural nets which could be OK with determining strategy based on player action, but really isn't going to be good for the entire control.

    This kind of thing is only useful as tech demo for playing platformers and the like with the same inputs a human player would, basically more like a bot.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    In game AI can be pretty sophisticated even without the addition of neural nets which could be OK with determining strategy based on player action, but really isn't going to be good for the entire control.

    Given that it has been the weak point in almost all 4x games in the past 30 years, I'd be happy if they give anything novel a try

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    …why? What’s the point?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why would I want AI to play the game other than for testing?

    Beat Elon in PoE

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Finally I will get through my Steam queue!

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    FYI: Stuff like this is for automated testing, not "playing games for you" 🤣

    Also, I won't consider it realistic until it can type out, "lol git gud scrub" after ganking someone who just spawned.

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Bold to assume having an AI play the game for testing is actually useful. Given how buggy games release nowadays i genuinely wonder which companies still properly have play testers. An AI whose results you mostly ignore is pointless.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I suspect it's not a lack of playtesters that's the problem, but harsh deadlines and crunch. That type of environment leads to tech debt to get things working fast, which leads to hard-to-manage code, which leads to bugs...

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    The ultimate conclusion to cheating in video games is literally just having the robot play them for you

    Something is just wrong with their brains which allows them to derive pleasure from antisocial activity 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh yeah? Go beat Talos Principle then.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Botting just got a whole lot easier - now old bitcoin farmers can go back to currency farming in games. At least in game currency prices will drop.

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