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[-] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago

Antisemitism and Anti-Zionism are conceptually not the same, and conflating them is dangerous. But...

debord-tired

[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago

columbo-donk Yes I see, you don't want to hurt Jewish people inadvertantly by criticising the Zionist child-murderers. Well I'll get outta your hair....

one-more-thing Oh, just One more thing: if you deliberately conflate all Jewish people with the genocidal Zionist regime, does that not make you an antisemite? columbo

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

Attempting to be very clever lampshading demand for her own opinions as demand for 'A ContraPoints Video'- 'you aren't asking me to use some of my influence to talk about the genocide, you're demanding my labour for an entertainment video, I am actually very enlightened to not make entertainment of this'

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

She's not taking the left-aligned stance.

She's not taking the right-aligned stance.

She is just Justifying...the ethnic cleansing.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

Zero Palestinian lives were saved.

How the fuck do you know? Are you somehow able to see an alternate reality where there is no leftist opposition to this?

[-] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago

COINtrapoints does it again.

None of this is Palestinians fault of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

who are the other victims hmm? even underwhelmingly? oh thats right its you, a rich liberal who cant square their own contradictions.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago

She somehow made a genocide about her lmao

[-] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago

Countdown to her apology / clarification post toxic-gossip-train .......

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago

Is the Clinton Foundation a major contributor to her patreon?

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

As usual, leftists have championed a doomed cause

The timing of this post . . . sounds like this is her launching her anti-Zohran Mamdani campaign on behalf of her [suspected] DNC sponsors

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It seems people feel betrayed by her and her platforming of liberal Zionism, but Natalie has shown herself to be a liberal since the inception of her channel and rise to fame. Her presentation was interesting - perhaps deradicalizing - during the early/mid Trump administration in 2017-19, since fascist politics, aesthetics, and culture were brazenly becoming normalized by the likes of the New York Times, the internet, and media at large.

But her time has past, no? Sure she still makes a very lucrative existence but her celebrity is very niche and echo chamber-y of people who are unwilling to challenge society to begin with.

I suppose this post by Natalie is a useful anecdote of evidence for the examination of liberal fetishism of respectability politics.

Ultimately this appeals to those who are unwilling and incapable of doing anything helpful for Palestine; it seems her supporters aren't activists to begin with but passive consumers of the likes of r/neoliberal waiting to be pacified and reassured that the status quo of their privileged section of humanity is still extant.

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A normal person: "ethnostates are bad and we should not have them."

Contra: "well you see thats unrealistic becausemorshupls "

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

I aint reading all that but the subsection titles just make it sound like she's depressed.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

Doom? Misery? Dread? Bitterness? The whole thing is organized around how she feels. And incidentally never even considers a Palestinian perspective or experience.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago

All she really had to say was that condemned the genocide of Palestinians and ended it there. The rest of the hand wringing and couching was completely unnecessary if she wanted to explain her views on Palestine.

Unless the point of her post wasn't to show her solidarity. It was, as usual, and condemnation of the left. It's actually ridiculous to spend so much time justifying Zionism when materially Zionism is supported by the wealthiest countries and the most powerful militaries in the world. When that fact changes, then we can work out what happens to the Israelis in Palestine. Until then, it's moot while the genocide machine is supported in full by the governments of the West.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

Condemning the genocide and saying (and probably also giving) money to charity is just an emotional balm to couch that she doesn’t really want to do anything about it.

The thrust of it is that trying is useless and personally bothers her. She knows that her liberal allies in the Democratic Party don’t give a single fuck about Palestine and has thus decided to just be sad about it while chastising people for trying to do anything. She supports Zionism because it is supported by the wealthy, and because it doesn’t affect her directly. She only sticks her neck out even slightly beyond what the wealthy liberal consensus is when it comes to things that personally affect her like transphobia.

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Also wanna add some unhinged lore to some of ardent followers. One of the mods of that sub is bardfinn, who can't go a minute without washing zionistpoints feet. Also the biggest biden defender out there. Endless spam about how you don't understand america and israel doing genocide or biden suporting due to civics actually, america has to be israel's ally cause civics.

Just cult worship

Then there is the more gross mod that modded antiwork and the contra sub, who did the same gross shit. But was also found out to be some sexpest. Then the sub quitely stopped mentioning any association or the discord. She would do endless screed she believes tara reade but still would vote biden cause that's the right thing to do. Lesser evil or whatever.

Her sub also denies downplays the american genocide of its indigenous population.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

Her cringe power mod depicted as some unkempt soyjak: Nooooo, your post has a Hasty Generialization Fallacy, Straw Man Fallacy, and Fallacies of Composition and Division noooo

Me depicted as a chiseled gigachad: Informal fallacies aren't real logical fallacies.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago
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[-] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago

No way in hell I'm reading all that.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago

Jesus, scurrying to her redditor sycophants because if she posts this to twitter she'll be rightfully ripped apart is a level of cowardice even I never expected of her but here we are. We've discovered a new level of being washed up.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Under the bitterness section in reference to any anti Israel protest or action:

This campaign had the following effects: zero Palestine lives where saved. Not one fewer bomb or Bullet was fired by the IDF.

the next fucking paragraph

It may have slightly contributed to the reelection of Trump [...] Making protests against Israel [...] Less effective.

You just said protest already had zero effect. How are they less effective. Isn't she supposed to think things good like and yet she can't notice a glaring contradiction I noticed skimming this shit. I don't hate myself enough to closely read it all.

Anyway....

pathetic

[-] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago

This campaign had the following effects: zero Palestine lives where saved. Not one fewer bomb or Bullet was fired by the IDF.

Trivially disproven by Palestine Action fucking up drones and bombers that got them proscribed as a terrorist org.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago

So basically, the same position as Ethan Klein? Israel is committing genocide, but it's antisemitic to oppose the genocide?

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago

My arm is not long enough for the jerk off motion in my soul

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