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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3237566

I posted this on lemmygrad but also posted here for discussion. I'm sure this was discussed before but I still want to ask.

If you remember a while back there was a tweet from blinken about ussr and babyn yar. If you don't remember, he asserts that "Ussr buried the atrocity and says ukraine is suffering now".

Anyway afterwards there was a deluge of discussion all around about how disgusting the tweet was but also some people were loud about how he is actually right. And also refer to some wikipedia citation.

So I will list the points I saw at the time:

• Soviets downplayed holocaust and never mentioned jews being singled out in babyn yar.
• That broadly only mentioning as soviet citizens dying in atrocities done by fascists and refusal to acknowledge roma people.
• That originally the extraordinary commision mainly downplayed babyn yar.

This brings me to the actual stuff I want to talk. Mainly there is a narrative at least that only liberalization made it possible for the victims of holocaust heard in post ussr. And that the soviets were very antisemitic and downplayed romani or other oppressed people by branding them as counter revolutionary.

What are your thoughts on this? On the narrative that liberalisation made the victims of holocaust heard and before that Ussr was only trivializing holocaust by mentioning them as soviet citizens.

I'm sure this was discussed before but I still want to ask.

If you remember a while back there was a tweet from blinken about ussr and babyn yar. If you don't remember, he asserts that "Ussr buried the atrocity and says ukraine is suffering now".

Anyway afterwards there was a deluge of discussion all around about how disgusting the tweet was but also some people were loud about how he is actually right. And also refer to some wikipedia citation.

So I will list the points I saw at the time:

• Soviets downplayed holocaust and never mentioned jews being singled out in babyn yar.
• That broadly only mentioning as soviet citizens dying in atrocities done by fascists and refusal to acknowledge roma people.
• That originally the extraordinary commision mainly downplayed babyn yar.

This brings me to the actual stuff I want to talk. Mainly there is a narrative at least that only liberalization made it possible for the victims of holocaust heard in post ussr. And that the soviets were very antisemitic and downplayed romani or other oppressed people by branding them as counter revolutionary.

What are your thoughts on this? On the narrative that liberalisation made the victims of holocaust heard and before that Ussr was only trivializing holocaust by mentioning them as soviet citizens.

Some genius takes:

The whole Global North/South split is a pet peeve of mine as a social scientist working in development policy. It's a bunch of outdated garbage from the Cold War that was really just a thinly veiled dogwhistle for 'white/the good Asians' and 'not white'. It doesn't hold up to any rational examination. South Africa was part of the Global North until white rule under Apartheid ended, and now they're in the Global South. southern nations.

Real educated economist chimes in:

Jason Hickel is an anthropologist (read: not economist) and degrowther. Despite having no background and seemingly almost no understanding of economics as a field, he somehow continues to get 'economics' papers published in reputable journals despite their obvious low quality. But to anyone with a cursory understanding of economics, it should be entirely unsurprising that exports from developing nations to developed are more labor intensive than vice-versa. This is not a novel conclusion and is not 'appropriation', but is entirely explained by a concept in economics called comparative advantage.

Another genius owns the article epic style

This paper is a demonstration of why input-output (IO) models are bad for economic research. IO models were used by the soviet central planners to allocate resources. IO models are bad for research for the same reason the are bad for planning. The authors look at “embodied labor” (adjusted for human capital), the idea being that any two things produced by an hour of (human capital adjusted) labor must have the same value (btw, this “labor theory of value” goes back to Adam Smith, and was later promulgated by Marx).

Other facts that the authors’ framework will struggle to explain: why is it that the poor countries that most integrated with global trade networks became rich (s korea, Japan, Singapore) or are otherwise growing quickly (china, Panama, Vietnam)? Why is it that countries with severe barriers to trade with the global north struggle to grow (n Korea, India for second half of 20th century)? That’s very hard to explain if trade with the global north is fundamentally exploitative.

Best highlights:

Well since marx and his antisemtic works to stalinist antisemitism to the current rush of commies who are all antisemitic cause they follow marx and stalin.

Leftist organizing is filled with antisemitism. Why won't condemn china russia or sri lanka for their genocides while only condemning israel. See this is why lot of jewish folk are feeling this anti zionism is antisemitic.

Find nuance within zionism rather than just being anti zionist as all those rabid college protestors

Banning israeli who served in the idf once is not a good look and obviously anti semitic.

Neil druckman is being unfairly maligned.

A lot of leftists praise hamas and that's as bad as idf. Y'all blindly supoort them just cause they are fighting israel. Meanwhile you all ignore sri lanka doing tamil genocide and the ccp doing uyghur genocide. But you all cheer on jewish civilians killed on oct 7.

Equating zionist to white supremacy or white people is very antisemitic. You leftists don't condemn sri lanka or china cause they are not white. This is a common stalinist tradition.

Also hamas is just has their own interests and don't care about jeopardizing palestine's future.

Zionism was not the product of its leaders. Implying they pushed it or they were powerful is antisemitic. It actually formed cause jewish folk escaped persecution and came here. It was a movement cause it has emotional appeal. Zionism is an emotion. Holocaust was the reason for all the jewish folk to form a jewish state.

Do you condemn hamas? Hamas attacks on civillians parallels nazi attacks for the average gentile. Hamas is a fundamentalist antisemitic group.

Horsehoe theory???//

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Ummm lebensraum is fine but don't suggest fighting against it. Thank you.

https://xcancel.com/BriannaWu/status/1812275113552912728#m

https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ContraPoints/status/1815090781247738157#m

Time to run, get your passport gurlboss

PUTLER DESTROYED AMERICAN DEMOCRACY ONCE AGAIN. HE MADE BIDEN TO STEP DOWN AND MAKING TRUMP WIN😣.

ALL THE MEDIA IS PAID OFF BY PUTLER TO MALIGN JOE BIDEN😦.

HE INTERFERED THROUGH FACEBOOK STEALING THEM BLIND, PUTLER. YOU ALL GOTTA STOP HIM?!!??!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I mean leland is a rapist and a pedo. Those are all essential american president. Well he is not friends with epstein. Bob is close I guess.

Its his turn.

Obvious step 1 : Vote

• progressives are sitting in their homes amd not voting

Step 2: suggestions for democrats - do something, some bare minimum. Put kamala for president.

@15:40 epic rant

There's a lot on the line this time. The things that republicans are openly saying the things they wanna do when they get to the whitehouse. ARE FUCKING TERRIFYING. AND THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS BETWEEN FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY OR SOME SEMBLANCE THOSE THINGS WE HAVE IS THE DEMOCRATIC MOTHERFUCKING PARTY AND THEIR NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT AND THEIR CANDIDATES FOR CONGRESS. FOR ALL OF ITS FAILURES AND SHORT COMINGS THAT'S THW ONLY WALL BETWEEN DEEPLY FLAWED DEMOCRACY AND FASCISM.

DRAG THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEFT. TWO DAYS EVERY TWO YEARS THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO.

https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/nathanallebach/status/1809281898386018565#m

Dae only wanna critique a genociding regime. Too bad no power for you sweetie.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/terrified-by-hamas-red-triangle--german-house-votes-on-banni

https://www.welt.de/regionales/berlin/article252316372/CDU-und-SPD-fuer-ein-Verbot-des-Hamas-Dreiecks.html

https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ContraPoints/status/1808529692405662047#m

Any fucking questions