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Hi.

In the past few days, discontent regarding mod decisions in this community has been brewing, particularly when it comes to comments on Palestine, Israel, and Israeli politics and actions. There are also misunderstandings regarding mod intention and German law. We hope to clear that up with this post.

While the servers of feddit.org are in Austria, most of the mods of this community as well as admins of this server live in Germany. Speaking of, our server admins have also posted a write-up on the same topic.

And with that, let’s go:

In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called “Reason of State” introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as “Israel-related antisemitism”.

Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done. All told, it’s not that fun.

There is also no point in engaging in discussions about the veracity of statements that could get us into legal trouble. In addition, we believe that you can express most opinions without breaking rules.

Another post about they are totally not Zionazis isntrael

Hello all,

in the last few days there have been some accusations against the moderators of !europe@feddit.org as well as against our admin team of being Nazis or Zionists, mainly because of the way of dealing with criticism of Israel.

We explicitly reject these accusations and will not tolerate such accusations. In particular, people who accuse others in this way without any concrete objective reason are not welcome on feddit.org. This is already covered by our rule of respectful interaction.

First of all, we would like to remind you, that the use of feddit.org must be compliant with the rights and regulations of the DACH region. This is explicitly mentioned in our instance rules, and includes Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH). The infrastructure of feddit.org is maintaind by the Fediverse Foundation, a non-profit association in Austria. Our Admin team, which takes care of the instance wide moderation, organization and supporting infrastructure operations, is based in Germany. Since we primarily target the German speaking coutries, we also try to comply with laws and regulations of Switzerland.

Even if we do not have to actively search for violations of the law, it is necessary to intervene after becoming aware of them. This includes, for example when moderators or admins receive messages about posts or comments, but also when such content is discovered by chance when browsing Lemmy.

In this instance, we fully support the moderators of !europe@feddit.org to potentially remove too much rather than too little in case of legal uncertainties.

One of the triggers for the current debate is this post, which followed the removal of a comment comparing National Socialism with the current situation in Israel, which can be considered a trivialization of National Socialism. Such statements can, among other things, lead to imprisonment. Among other things, the post claimed that the removal had a Zionist motive, an accusation that should always be supported by appropriate evidence and prior to which it should be ruled out that there are alternative explanations.

We will not be removing every comment that goes even remotely in this direction, but we reserve the right to permanently ban users from feddit.org who make unfounded accusations, such as labeling our instance, admins, moderators, or other users as Nazis or Zionists, without substantial supporting arguments. This is especially the case when this is recurring behavior and not an isolated incident.

This includes content such as this post by @Deceptichum@quokk.au, who was banned from our instance shortly before that post due to multiple incitements of violence and terrorism. This person also seems to be the admin of the instance quokk.au, or at least to have good relations to the admin, since we received a censure on Fediseer from quokk.au around the same time, in which we are being accused of being Zionists and Nazis, and @Deceptichum@quokk.au has suggested to defederate quokk.au from us (archive).

If this censure by quokk.au is not withdrawn in a timely manner, we will defederate quokk.au from our side for these unsubstantiated and untrue accusations. quokk.au is a relatively small instance with only a few local users, which tried to build an alternative news community that is not on one of the “big” instances. Unfortunately, this community also seems to be a poor alternative if this is how their admin typically acts.

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[–] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow the German instance is full of nazis? Nobody could see that coming

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  • [–] [S] 83 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Posting it here before everyone else

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    History, as it does, will recognize this genocide for what it is, and will not only condemn thise who are carrying it out, but those who are standing idly by and letting it happen.

    One would think that Germsns would be particularly aware of that fact, and after already being responsible for one genocide, would deliberately not be complicit in another.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I'm not reading all that lol

    instead I'll just repost the timeless Michael Brooks response, "it's not a complex issue," where he switches the roles of Israelis and Palestinians

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62I61kBahNY&t=260s

    figure it out, feddit

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    [+] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    You're telling me you can set up and maintain a federated Lemmy instance, but you just can't figure out how a VPN and hosting things outside the Fourth Reich works?

    Fuck off, fascists. The mask has already slipped—drop the act.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Entirely unsurprising and deeply unserious. The price to humanity for the West never de-Nazifying has been immense.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Let's split Germany into quarters this time. Maybe zigzags.

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    instance, admins, moderators, or other users as Nazis or Zionists, without substantial supporting arguments.

    "We are only zionazis if you convince us we are in the free marketplace of ideas."

    Tbh shit like this is why hexbear is the literal only space online I feel the least bit comfortable speaking in (and probably lemmygrad as well).

    germany-cool

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The German right-wing white supremacist instance engaging in censorship for the benefit of genocide loving zionazis???

    What a shock, I can't believe Germans of all people would become racist cowards who hide behind state decrees, truly no historical precedent

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "We are not zionists, we are just the most pathetic nerds ever"

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If this was a community specifically about the middle-east I would agree with you that it would have been unwise to host it on feddit.org due to the legal situation affecting its admins and some of the moderators here.

    But it is not, and generally speaking Germany is not an autocratic state with severe repression of political activism, so for most topics it is a better place to host communities that might involve such.

    Oh! Good thing Germany doesn't punish the most important political activism! You might not be able to criticize the most horrifying crime going on in the world at the moment, but at least you can talk about fantasy Hobbit communes!

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    You know what else is illegal under german law? Communism, hammers and sickles, etc

    what a cool and normal place

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    One user said

    I’ve always said that the best route to take when you’ve been accused of supporting genocide and apartheid is to double down

    The reason they gave for removing that comment and banning him was

    baseless accusations of zionism

    even though his comment didn't mention Zionism

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    There is also no point in engaging in discussions about the veracity of statements that could get us into legal trouble. In addition, we believe that you can express most opinions without breaking rules.

    I wonder if their grandfathers said something similar in 1933 and how many of them were rightfully killed for that.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    we would like to remind you, that the use of feddit.org must be compliant with the rights and regulations of the DACH region

    More like the DACHAU region

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    they know their hosting other instances content as well and would be liable for that? Tempted to scare them into defedding everyone

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Germany and uniting the left in sheer hatred and disgust. Name a better duo.

    pitgermany-cool

    billie-eilish-anarchistsolidaritytaylor-commie

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One of the triggers for the current debate is this post, which followed the removal of a comment comparing National Socialism with the current situation in Israel, which can be considered a trivialization of National Socialism. Such statements can, among other things, lead to imprisonment.

    Comparing hamas to national socialism, comparing Oct 7 to the holocaust is rank trivialization and denialism.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    The fun part is that it could genuinely lead to trouble with the cops. This country is one of the west's most conservative societies, in the sense that the status quo is holy (and very popular among a large % of heavily moralistic and annoying people) and heavily enforced.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Germany was never denazified

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People think cancel culture is real. Try being pro-palestinian in that country. I had anarchists tell that boycotting israhell is literally holocaust 2.0

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    Germany doesn't ban Nazi symbology as an anti Nazi measure, they banned Nazi symbology because they were afraid that peoples would notice that they never fully denazify.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    In addition, we believe that you can express most opinions without breaking rules.

    "Unless you're explicitly supporting the right of Palestinians to exist, in which case go fuck yourself"

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If Israel were founded in Germany after ww2, these same pro-Israel types would be trying to enact the second Holocaust

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Useless German bastards.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    How does their national anthem go again? Israel, Israel über alles wasn't it?

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