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I really hope Petro and Maduro are serious about these Gran Colombia talks!
https://elcooperante.com/maduro-dice-estar-de-acuerdo-con-petro-en-refundar-la-gran-colombia/
Machine translated excerpts:
During his program Con Maduro, the president said he had sent a letter to Petro in which he asked to move "more acceleratedly" in the creation of a binational area of shared development, stressing that both Venezuelan and Colombian entrepreneurs "are already prepared" and have "specific plans" to take that step.
"The fate of Venezuela and Colombia must be the integral productive union, the new Great Colombia, which is a dream of Commander Chávez and which Petro flies as well. I fully agree to recast the new Great Colombia," Maduro said.
Maduro is enthusiastically supporting the idea, though he's not bothering to talk about Ecuador and Panama. Instead, he's talking about a different partner: China.
The Venezuelan president also celebrated Petro's official visit to China, where he plans to sign accession agreements to the Strip and Route Initiative, and raised the possibility of attracting Chinese investments, machinery and markets not only for Colombia, but also for the projected binational economic zone.
"Between Petro, Maduro, Colombia and Venezuela we can bring with the Chinese machinery, investments, capital and markets for a powerful binational economic zone," said the Venezuelan president, who asked that his message reach Petro in the context of his agenda in China.
If China supports the creation of a huge socialist confederation in Latin America, oh boy we're cooking.
As a Colombian the idea of a new Gran Colombia is very fringe in the mainstream, and honestly not very useful in my opinion. Bolivarianism is much more useful, but kinda hard to put it in the mainstream because it is associated with Chavismo and FARC-EP.
But Colombia improving relations with Venezuela and China is a very good step in the right direction. And signing the BRI yesterday is based as hell.
We'll see what happens on the elections next year. But it is more likely than not that we get a right wing government, but we'll see.
If I may, why do you suspect that the next election will swing back to the right wing? Is Mr. Petro not super popular anymore?
Petro is still very popular but, 2 reasons:
- Colombia has reelections but the same person can't be re-elected back to back so he would have to appoint a candidate to run. Problem is, the candidates he usually picks are dogshit. Like uninspiring, or even with cases of being misogynistic and abusive. We lost the city elections because of that. He really doesn't want to consider a better candidate to run, but the party is yet to appoint one so we'll see.
- The mainstream media has been unrelenting in the campaign against him, and the political center has been moving away from him. As you might guess they are scared of spooky scary authoritarianism and the such. So it's likely that those votes will end up to a charismatic right wing leader. That said, there is no clear right wing candidate with a chance to win either, so who knows. Things are still up in the air right now.
Latin American leftist leaders really don't have a very good track record at picking successors do they
Maduro ain't too bad. Diaz-Canel either.
Oh for sure it's a mixed bag. But there's definitely a few noteworthy examples (Evo / Arce, Lenin Moreno, Lula is almost 80 for chrissake he should have had someone take his place years ago, same with Ortega, Fidel's brother taking over after him was probably not ideal but they finally got it sorted with Díaz-Canel but it took them long enough)
Is Gran Colombia not a fundamentally Bolivarian project?
Funny but not really, Bolivar might have built the Gran Colombia, but Bolivarianism is more about joining all of Central/South America. What is called the Patria Grande or great fatherland, against imperialism.
Gotta start somewhere
Would it strengthen socialism in the area? Or make both countries easier to coup and break down? reactionary enemies in both countries could find allies in each other as well.
IMO if a real bloc was built with Venezuela and Colombia, that would basically mean Colombia becoming socialist (which is really not plausible right now lmao). That said I would have said it was impossible a couple years ago but right now, its very unlikely but not impossible. Things are a bit better, but could definitely get worse lol.
It would make it hard for the US to coup either country, because as an example, all coup attempts at Venezuela are launched from Colombia.
Everything comes with risks, but generally I'd say greater unity and cooperation among the anti-imperialist left is always a net positive.
Trump’s speech in Saudi Arabia repeated a bunch of neocon talking points and principles (Iran can never have a nuke and needs to submit to American demands, Sanctions against Assad were necessary and good, Hamas is an evil terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed before Palestine can be lifted from siege, Saudi Arabia should join the Abraham accords, etc).
Then he went on to attack “neocons” who failed at nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It’s all such a dumb farce. Whenever rightoids complain about neocons it’s always that Garfield meme. They don’t even realize they are the neocons. Dude you had Bolton, Rubio, Kellog, Walz and more in your foreign policy department. Shut the fuck up!
Ok but would a Neocon refuse to do Bibi’s laundry?
Poland prepares for war - NPR (sorry)
So, is there any evidence whatsoever that Russia intends to invade Poland? Or does Poland maybe intend to fire the first shot here? Or are they just acting out a big paranoid fantasy they have that evil Putler wants to take them over too?
Also the war in Ukraine has been going on for like three years, why now.
They run “preparing for war” stories every other week to keep up the paranoia levels and boost defense spending, if war really is imminent it wouldn’t be that impressive a prediction, and wouldn’t be the result of their journalistic capability, cf. the Twitter accounts that posted the Queen would die on X date for every possible day in the near future and deleted all the wrong ones when she really croaked.
The cynic in me thinks this can double as preparations to seize Ukrainian land in the event of a Ukrainian collapse. Iirc Hungary has been making similar noises about bits of western Ukraine, I wouldn't be surprised if these vultures pick apart Ukraine's corpse under the guise of "protecting ethic minorities" (ironic)
Doubt. Lviv is the bandera nazi heartland. Its going to be a mess if poland annexes it. Unlike Hungary who can use the actually existing Hungarian population and the divergent and discontent population of transcarpathia as an anchor.
Poland has never been sane when it comes to stupid land grabs
Poland prepares for war
Also called "getting your lightbulbs in order"
Screen door production is gearing up in Poland.
The airbase in Poland is probably target number 1 for Oreshnik in a hypothetical Russia-NATO war.
The EU MIC is trying to kick into gear. There has been a push across all media and politicians to cut social spending and increase war spending. Fearmongering constantly is a necessary part of that
Kaliningrad oblast, a Russian exclave surrounded on all sides by NATO members including Poland, is in a very precarious position. It's why Europeans are always talking about Putler invading and annexing the Baltic states.
I don't think Russia will take military action unless forced to, by a blockade or whatever.
don't they say this every year
i still struggle to think of a scenario where russia would expand into poland, obviously short of nato troops actually in the frontlines
This is a big question, and not actually news, but you are all well-read nerds so I figure you can help me out. Why was it that 1700s Europe was able to industrialise and allow capitalism to emerge, but not other societies? What societal structures prevented, say, classical Greece or medieval China or the middle east in the golden age of Islam, from utilising steam power? Why did burghers emerge in Europe as a powerful class? If anyone could point me to some reading about this topic, that would be great.
Also, a fun worldbuilding idea I've played with is ancient Rome or Greece undergoing a sort of industrial revolution and utilising steam power. What changes would have to occur for this to happen?
Others have answered your question, and thethirdgracchi gave a good reading list. A book that I'd like to add which actually touches on much of what others have said is Perry Anderson's Passages from Antiquity to Feudalism. It discusses how antiquity transitioned to feudalism and has chapters deeicated to the historical materialist paths the modes of productions of various European societies took.
It starts with Ancient Greece, to Rome, the barbarian invasions, Charlemagne, the spread of Feudalism to East Germany and Poland and eastern Europe, Spain, Italy, the impact the Mongols had on Eastern Europe and Russia, the stagnation of the Byzantines, and more. It is focused on European history though. It is a very fun book that actually uses the lens of a mode of production to discuss history.
Roland Boer also has a book on the ancient Roman economy called Time of Troubles.
Something that Anderson points out is that a mode of production will not change just because the new technology has come into being. There must be new social relations that put the technology to use in a new way. Even when Rome did improve tools and basic machines, they never applied them toward production.
In Rome's slave based economy, the social relations themselves do not incentive industrialization. Slaves, as an act of understandable disobedience, would break equipment. That discourages investment in expensive tools. Also, if you are a latidundia owner, you don't mind just working your slaves harder instead of investing in more productive tools. As long as slaves are cheap on the market, you can buy more.
Also, the internal market for most commodities was not very large in ancient Rome. Slaves were the most bought and sold commodity (Boer makes this point in Time of Troubles). Transportation was very cumbersome, so most products that were produced were consumed locally. Any transportation would be done by sea, so major centers had to be near the ocean. Land transport was slow and expensive. It would cost the same amount to transport grain some 30 miles on land as it would to ship it by sea from Egypt to Italy.
The economy was also largely agricultural, and the cities were not powerhouses of handicrafts and manufacturing but instead were where the rich latidundia owners lived. There was an urban proletariat, but it was not engaged in manufacturing to a large extent, at least that I am aware of. The poverty and destitution of the urban masses (see Parenti's The Assassination of Julius Ceasar), and the enslavement of those in the country side meant that a large market for commodities did not exist outside luxury items that the slave owners could afford.
The low productivity of agriculture also means that there is less surplus agricultural product that can go toward the non-agricultural laborers like handicrafts. If someone is not engaged in farming, then that is less labor extended toward growing food. So the productivity of agricultural must be high enough to compensate for a laborers moving to handicrafts, manufacturing, administration, etc.
And when thinking of structural incentives, the production of goods was not regulated by increasing profits or by the exchange-value of products. There isn't a large market due to the above reasons, except maybe in luxury goods. And a latifundia owner is more likely to be interested in buying things they (actually their slaves) can't produce on their premises or on one of the other plantations they own. But if possible, the latifundia will produce it itself. Any profits can go to buying luxury items produced elsewhere. But the consumption of the owners and their families is limited by their stomachs. So luxury consumption plateaus for each latifundia. That's less of an incentive to accumulate high profits.
There isn't much competition, nor is the market that big due to poor transportation, communication, and general destitution. So the market saturates pretty quickly in a local area. And so there isn't an incentive to produce a cheaper product, or out compete other latidundias. And as mentioned before, why invest in more productive equipment when we have slaves? Wage labor isn't a major social institution at the time either. So no need to accumulate profits for increasing production.
As Marx mentions in Capital, Instead of exchange value driving the anciemt economy, it was quantity (up to a natural limit, owners can only eat and slaves can only produce so much) and use-value. Effort was put into making a better item for luxury but not into making it more efficiently with less slave labor.
There isn't a drive to accumulate capital, there isn't a drive for ever increasing profits. There aren't many avenues for value to expand and grow, and hence no capitalism.
And the low productive capacity of their means of production (and that includes transportation), in addition to social relations (slavery) that actually disincentivize increasing productivitiy is at the heart.
Adding to one reasons that China didn't develop capitalism in the same way as Europe.
Confucianism played a huge role both culturally and politically in China at the time. There was a civil service exam that you needed to take to get into government positions, and almost all commoners would have experience with Confucius philosophy. And Confucius considered making a profit to be something that petty men do.
I think it's one of the major reasons that the merchant classes never held the same sway with the the government as they did in Europe.
We tend to romanticize the classical romans and greeks so much and forget that these societies were very small in size and economy in comparison to 1700s. Their material development was not advanced enough to develop steam machinery, which would've seemed futuristic by their standards.
As to why did Europe win the race to industrialziation? I tend to think of it as a combination of external events and random chance.
I haven't read the books other people are suggesting, but the arguments I have heard mostly center around materials science. Rome did not have access to high enough quality metals and was unable to machine parts to the standards required for steam engines. Britain sits on top of large coal and iron deposits, exactly what an early society needs to produce high quality steel. Producing steel in the Americas before European contact was not possible due to the large distances between coal and iron deposits combined with the lack of waterways or transport animals to move the required quantities of ore.
This is just how I remember it, there are probably a few issues with it, but the main point is that Britain and Europe to a lesser extent got very lucky with geography.
The entire material reality of greece & rome. They didnt have a need or ability too. Bengal could have been reasonably another fulcrum of industrialization and then spread to Burma, Persia, Egypt and so on.
This is a huge topic, with a lot of scholarship and debate within the historical academic community. So for China specifically (it's a book about why Song dynasty China, despite having a lot of the preconditions for industrialization, didn't industrialize), probably the best place to start is The Great Divergence: China, Europe, and the Making of the Modern World Economy by Kenneth Pomeranz. I don't agree with all the conclusions of that monograph but it's a great first foray into the questions and concerns of this kind of longue durée history. Adam Smith in Beijing: Lineages of the Twenty-First Century by Giovanni Arrighi makes this argument that the Chinese state was strong enough to stop capital from taking over and that the way capitalism formed in the West is actually rather odd; this is a wonderful book but it requires quite a bit of context, and you might even be better off starting with his more broad account of the rise of capitalism called The Long Twentieth Century: Money, Power and the Origins of Our Time, which (despite its name) covers around 500 years from the formation of capitalism in Renaissance Italy up to the modern era. Fernand Braudel's three part Capitalism and Civilisation, from which Arrighi draws a lot of his ideas, is phenomenal but very long and again requires even more familiarity with the historical period.
If you just want a quick summary of all the above, distilled into something quite short but still well done, I'd recommend The Origins of Capitalism and the 'Rise of the West' by Eric Mielants. It's not specifically focused on China, but it does cover the "capitalism requires the state" bit and why capitalism happens in Western Europe and not anywhere else. For some additional counterfactual history of why the West got rich and the East didn't, I recommend ReORIENT: Global Economy in the Asian Age by Andre Gunder Frank and Fossil Capital: The Rise of Steam-Power and the Roots of Global Warming by Andreas Malm (this book in particular is important, since it doesn't cover the larger question of why the West and not China, but it does push back and disprove a lot of Pomeranz's points about coal power).
You can also check out The Origin of Capitalism: A Longer View by Ellen Meiksins Wood for a specific look at how the capitalism virus spread from England to the rest of the world, but she kind of disagrees with a lot of the historians above. A lot of the argument comes down to how you define capitalism and where it starts. Wood would argue that capitalism doesn't "start" until the agrarian revolution in England, whereas historians like Arrighi and Braudel would place it a bit earlier in the merchant republics of Renaissance Italy and their financialised capital-intensive economies.
EDIT: Missed your last point, basically you need for there to be incentive to do labour saving technological advancement. Steam power already existed in Ancient Greece and Rome, it just wasn't applied to labour saving things because there was no need. If you can accumulate power and capital via slaves and trade, labour is really cheap, and why would you bother?
Its also worth mentioning that countries like bourbon Naples or Poland actually destroyed their own potential for future "industrialization" because of fear by the feudal classes. It was called refeudalization.
Of all the books you’ve mentioned, personally I only read Meiksins Wood’s book but I will say I enjoyed reading it and got a lot out of it. I do jive with her approach that “capitalism” begins when you have a certain set of social relations. It really helps differentiate when you have simple markets and when you have capitalist production.
Also, the Mongols.
The Kievan Rus was geographically unfortunate enough to stand in between the Mongol invasion and the rest of Europe in the 13th century, and the Russian/Eastern Slavic people spent the next four centuries on a stalemate with the descendants of the Mongols (Tatars), became the victims and captured slaves of frequent Tatar raids that went on for centuries, while effectively shielding the European subcontinent from total destruction.
Edit: obviously the Islamic civilizations were destroyed during the Mongol invasion and China itself suffered from both an external invasion and internal political upheaval until the Ming dynasty in the 15th century.