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A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.

Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

Why do parents keep choosing to cut up the genitals of their baby boys?

Is it because the dad had his penis cut up for him, and therefore he must do it to his son because "nothing is wrong with his dick"?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 minutes ago

In America at least most people don't really consider it until the kid is born. Then in the post birth rush of things happening someone asks if you want to circumcise your kid. Most Dads will say "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "well I'm circumcised, so I guess" and his dad said "HE IS BORN OF SIN! We must circumcise him to discourage sinful behavior!"

Most people really don't think too deeply about most things, try not to over think it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 53 minutes ago

ding ding ding

[–] [email protected] 3 points 42 minutes ago

Don’t forget the people who think they have to do it because the sky daddy they invented told them to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 55 minutes ago

It’s due to lack of education about not cutting it and indoctrination of what has been societal norms. It’s much less nefarious than you think on the part of many parents. Most people don’t generally think about this ahead of time and research it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago) (1 children)

Unless you’re some religious nut job, there is zero benefit and a lot of harm you can do by circumcising. So stop doing it.

EDIT: I was wrong, there is some medical reasons for the procedure later in life to address problems.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 minutes ago (1 children)

This is a general statement, and not factual. To say there is zero benefit (across the board): wrong. There are benefits, medically, for specific people with issues that warrant it. I had a later-in-life circumcision for medical problems, so I know. To say it is something you should do to a newborn: very wrong. This is something that has a fucked up history, and should only be done when needed (or wanted, I suppose) later in a person's life... of their own choosing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

I’m sorry, I hadn’t considered that it might be done later to correct a problem. I honestly hope you weren’t offended.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Genital mutilation should be 100% illegal instead of only applying to girls.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 57 minutes ago (2 children)

I agree with you fully but there's a discrepancy that needs to addressed. Now, before you get the wrong idea, I'm NOT defending or excusing anybody here. The medical staff and the parents should be held responsible for nearly killing this newborn. Child genital mutilation of any kind should be banned.

Now, with that out the way, Male circumcision and female genital mutilation (or FGM, which is what I believe you're referring to when you say 'only applying to girls') are not directly comparable. Male circumcision typically only removes the foreskin of the penis whereas FGM removes the both the clitoris and labia (I shudder while typing this out). It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.

Again, this sort of thing should be banned and no child should suffer from the decisions they had no say in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago* (last edited 36 seconds ago)

I'll just say it's very clear you've never seen what a botched circumcision does to a penis. You also don't seem to know the biology of the male genitals very well either if you think it's "just skin".

Why don't we instead focus on "bodily autonomy"? No one should have unnecessary medical procedures done against their will and without their consent. It's a pretty simple rule that applies to everyone and covers most of these issues simply.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 minutes ago

It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.

More like removing the glans and foreskin, but that doesn't make it much better. There are definitely varying degrees of awfulness, but it's all bad.

While there are some truly evil and horrific practices like removing the clitoris or sewing the vulva shut, some female genital mutation is "just" removing the clitoral hood, which is directly analagous to the foreskin.

Most people can agree that this practice is deeply wrong, and that it is still genital mutilation. And so I think categorizing male genital mutilation separately as "circumcision" is downplaying it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 hours ago

"Days after Cole's birth, doctors placed a stent in him to address a known heart disease he was born with."

I would wager that if the kid has heart disease and a stent, they likely put him on blood thinners as well. Source: Am on blood thinners following a stent.

How much do you want to bet the asshats who suggested circumcision were blissfully unaware of what happens when you cut someone who is on blood thinners?

[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Circumcision is barbaric and backwards

Religion doesn't get a free pass either. Superstition is no basis for mutilating babies

America is one of the only places in the world that still thinks this disgraceful practice is OK.

All because they followed the ideas of a nutter who made cornflakes...

Shit's fucked

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Any cosmetic body alteration should only be done according to the will of the body-haver.

Poor little guy is brand new to the world and just wants sleep, warmth and food. Instead he gets this 💔

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 hours ago

At the will of the people who are supposed to be keeping him safe from harm...

[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Stop ~~molesting~~ mutilating children would be my advice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yes of course, edited.
Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Its actually both with traditional Jewish circumcision.

Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning)

When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b’peh, some babies can get an infection.

https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes the Jewish one is even more disgusting, but this was in a hospital, I hope they don't have such practices there. 🤮

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

But hey, on the plus side, they helped cure him of... I mean prevented... I mean...

What again?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure someone will jump in and mention hygiene, like we haven't invented fucking soap some 3000 years ago...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

FYI, in those 3000 years time, we have found another use for soap besides sticking your dick in it!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

That's not what I... nevermind. Wording matters. :D

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

cut off usefull natural things without consent...win stupid prizes

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It depends on the day for me whether increased sensitivity would be a good or bad thing for me. But that's mental illness and the accompanying drugs for ya.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Being intact is also preventative for some stds, iirc, but I couldn’t find anything to support that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I looked into this claim a couple of years ago. I couldn’t find any well executed study that showed this. It’s mainly a talking point that people who argue for circumcision claim is true, but I couldn’t find any scientific support for this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I was unclear. Circumcision predisposes you to STD transmission iirc, but I also couldn’t find anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 55 minutes ago

Because its the opposite actually. Circumcision reduces risk, inclusive of STIs as well as UTIs. Its a significant, but partial, reduction in risk. This has only been shown with PiV sexual activity and not with PiA sexual activity, which could be an important factor.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8579597/

Adult circumcision works out well, including for a family member who did it in his 30s due to severe phimosis (which is also linked to penile carcinoma).

I think the only appropriate answer to circumcision is not at birth, only for a clear medical need until they are an adult, and at that point it's their decision.

But I doubt you'll find anything peer reviewed that suggests an increase in STIs after circumcision, I've only ever seen the opposite, and I did a lot of reading on it before my son was born.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Largely beneficial for UTIs, which is the leading infection in young boys. UTIs in young children are often hard to diagnose before spreading to the kidneys

Then later in life when getting too old to wash yourself the benefit returns again

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

"It depends on the day whether more pleasure would be a good or bad thing for me"

That's a more precise version of your statement, I think.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Im Not sure if sensitivity always equals pleasure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Which is why I think sensitivity is the wrong word.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

But he’s talking about sensitivity not pleasure?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

there's another pointless bullshit stone age tradition that's long overdue for going the fuck away forever

christopher hitchens (R.I.P.) says it better than anyone ever has or will:

https://youtu.be/Xx_ov2NiNo4