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Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.

Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m 41 years old, I’ll be 42 in a few weeks, I’m getting really tired of living through these “once in a lifetime events” every 24-48hrs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Total sidebar: You should re-read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when you turn 42!

That's what I did. Now I'll never forget the last time I read the series.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I’ll have to do that thanks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Step 1: Crash market

Step 2: buy cheap stock

Step 3: undo regulation/get kicked out

Step 4: market rebounds

Step 5: Sell stocks for huge profits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nah dude, there's more to it.

Step 1: already have a fortune put away in the US stock market.

Step 2: promise a business friendly environment after the election

Step 3: get elected

Step 4: sell off your stocks while confidence is high and market is on the up

Step 5a: put all your money on shorting index funds with the highest possible leverage

Step 5b: impose tarrifs

Step 6: use aggressive foreign policy to prevent foreign buyers from acquiring a share of the now discounted US economy.

Step 7a: settle short positions get infinite money (Trump will have leverage that us plebs cannot comprehend)

Step 7b: stabilise economy

Step 8: use infinite money to buy significant chunks of the US economy

Once all steps are complete trump is king in all but name even after he leaves office.

As much as if hate to admit it, the orange clown has pulled a massive big brain play. It's terrifying what he could be planning next.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Lets hope this leads to Republicans loosing for 60 years like last time :3

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Just wait until the markets open on Monday...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if they'll pause the markets.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's a rule hard baked into the NYSE that trading is paused for at least 15 minutes if it drops 7% in a single day. It is paused again for at least 15 minutes if it drops 13%, and then trading is ended for the day if it drops 20%.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can't really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven't solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What's more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.

Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it's just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

The debt issue is greatly over exaggerated. The US as a whole owns over 300 trillion in assets and trillions more in untouched resources. The US isn't broke and it isn't poor. It only feels poor because

  1. our capitalist system is nearly the worst possible system for distributing resources where they actually need to go and
  2. Capitalists use their resources to corrupt and bend our government to their will which results in car centric urban sprawl that is 5x less resource efficient.

For example, if we built public transit and walkable cities we could make transit completely free and it would cost far less than subsidizing car dependency. But we can't do that nation wide because it would devalue the car industry, the asphalt industry, rubber industry, and the oil industry. Under capitalism, the profits of the 0.1% always take priority over what benefits the 99%

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Amazing how every time the Republicans get majority control of things the markets go to shit. The faster they work to dismantle what democratic control of something exists the faster it falls apart.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago

Trump is golfing while a man he admits is innocent is in an El Salvador prison

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We're entering Once in a Lifetime Recession #5. Buckle up folks. The feds up shits creek and has been since COVID, so no cash bailouts are coming anytime soon. This should be a fun one!

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Wow, $11 trillion is a lot. Really puts the $36 trillion sitting liquid in offshore tax havens into perspective (yet seems to be missing from every conversation about money.)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I expect Musk to become the first trillionaire from all of this. Thing is, that trillion will be worth $100 Euros or any other form of currency that isn't attached to America.

May the money pit that Musk stands on, suck him in like a bog.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 4 days ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago

The US stock market has been liberated of 11 trillion dollars and counting.

What a party, what a party.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Go woke go broke? Seems like when you go conservative you get absolutely ripped.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I know your right in saying people vote like Trump was the conservative, but Harris was really the conservative. Trump was the populist autocratic. thinking the GOP is the conservative party is crazy to me. They haven't been in a long ass time. You want status quo and security for your money and livelyhood? Don't vote for the populist who has ''ideas'' about how the country should REALLY be ran.

That's how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports. All the other autocrat or populist that instantly rammed a country into the ground also had a cult that made them entirely delusional.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports.

This really is exactly what trump is doing. He’s slinging tariffs around like that will spur US industries (and as a petty attempt at being a strongman) and farming but giving those industries zero lead time, and on top of that, the tariffs he imposed are going to affect all of the materials and machinery those industries would need to ramp up their production. And on true insulated tyrant fashion he just makes a declaration and then it’s everyone else’s problem to deal with.

Dude’s a fucking idiot.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (25 children)

At least there’s no genocide in Palestine, right?

Right?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 days ago (22 children)

The top 10% wealthiest Americans own over 90% of stocks...

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-ownership-wealthiest-americans-one-percent-record-high-economy-2024-1?op=1

I do feel bad for the people who left their 401k in the market instead of government securities. trump has been saying he'd do this dumb shit since the campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gasp! However, zero sympathy for the MAGA voters losing their asses in the stock market.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately I sincerely doubt a lot of them have retirement savings of any significance. There’s a reason Red States are a bigger draw on federal money than Blue States. But if there’s any consolation, once the food prices start hitting again they’ll take notice.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Curious how does that stack up historically with the largest drops in history percentage-wise?

I checked out the investopedia article:

  • The Dow had its sixth-worst week of the 21st century; it fell 7.9% over the week and 9.3% in the last two days.
  • The Dow shed 2,231 points on Friday, its third-largest one-day point decline on record. 
  • The Nasdaq Composite has dropped 11.4% since Trump’s tariff announcement, also its worst 2-day stretch since March 2020.
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh no, billionaires losing unrealized gains, what a shame

Let's flip the fuck out about it

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Or regular people all losing money they had invested

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I have parents who are near retirement who voted for trump. Only my dad works and has to support my mom. This upcoming weekend, I'm gonna ask him how his portfolio is looking. If his vote is paying off.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (5 children)

There's more people who don't have investments than there are that do. That includes 401k. Welcome to the poor people's club.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

50% of the country has a 401k and like 40% has an IRA.. They are not worth much, that is the point the poor people can't afford to get more poor, the rich people can. they've realized theres nothing else their money can buy so their happy to destroy the world out of boredom. And you cheer them on.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago

Now I know why Trump, during his rally, said people would ask him to stop winning.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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